THE CHRISTIAN COMMONS PROJECT

Our efforts should be going to obtaining land to raise free food to feed this poor, starving child and all of the millions of others like her and not to support the wicked who bomb nations for plunder and for global domination under the spirit of unmitigated evil.

Update: Wednesday, November 14, 2012:

We aren't Marxists, but ("Land grabbing: A new colonialism") while the superrich mega corporations literally take the land out from under the poor around the world, the Christian Commons Project waits for the people to wake up and come together to obtain farmland for real Christians (giving and sharing all with each other per Christ and Acts; pacifistic, turning the other cheek always; sexually moral in the traditional sense, the ancient Christian sense since Jesus himself) to live on and work to create surplus organic food for the local poor.

What has kept people from helping? There are only two possibilities: 1) they haven't the ability or 2) they haven't the desire for whatever selfish, hard-hearted, anti-Christ reason(s). Don't let that second one fit you. Don't turn your back.

What better plan is there? I know of none. Where are the people who would beat a path to the door of the Christian Commons to help in whatever way they are able and asked? To begin with, we simply ask that people spread the word, to give moral support, to join in name and spirit, to grow awareness of the plan throughout the world on a grassroots basis on the Internet and by talking to people to convince them to help with whatever they can spare.

We will translate mammon into what will eventually replace it. It's righteousness calling! Will you help? See the menu above to join. If you are able, you may donate via the button near the top of the right column. Thank you for your help, and may God bless you.

February 14, 2009

After years of calling for Christians to do this as the Church, where the members would hold the land in common and live and grow food for themselves and for the poor in the wider community, finally we read about a food bank obtaining farmland.

"The need is great, and I think we are looking to the future," said Judy Stermer, spokeswoman for the Vermont Foodbank, which plans to close on the purchase of a 20-acre farm by May.

(Source: "Food banks forced to partner with farms, fishermen," by Carrie Antlfinger. AP. December 13, 2008.)

The Vermont Foodbank's move to farming directly though certainly vindicates the RLCC's premise as far as farming as a charity is concerned. One would think Christians visiting here and reading this post would now see that we need the Commons and would donate to help the RLCC to bring forth. It's the solution. We commend the Vermonters in their move to farm to raise food for charity — no longer beholden to or held up (intentionally or unintentionally) by for-profit corporations, not that the food bank would not want, or would reject, continued help from such corporations.

Friday, December 12, 2008

MAYORS EXAMINE CAUSES OF HUNGER, HOMELESSNESS
The U.S. Conference of Mayors Release
2008 Hunger and Homelessness Survey Results

[Highlights:]

Miami, FL – Hunger and Homelessness are both on the rise according to a U.S. Conference of Mayors report on the status of Hunger and Homelessness in America.

The report reveals that on average, cities reported a 12 percent increase in homelessness from 2007 to 2008, with 16 cities citing an increase in the number of homeless families.

Twelve cities (63) percent reported an increase in homelessness because of the foreclosure crisis.

...lack of affordable housing....

...requests for emergency food assistance went up in nearly every city....

Most cities reported that, at times over the past year the demand for homeless assistance exceeded the availability of shelter.

The U.S. Conference of Mayors is the official nonpartisan organization of cities with populations of 30,000 or more. There are 1,139 such cities in the country today, each represented in the Conference by its chief elected official, the Mayor.

Rich countries launch great land grab to safeguard food supply

• States and companies target developing nations

• Small farmers at risk from industrial-scale deals

Julian Borger, diplomatic editor

guardian.co.uk, Saturday November 22 2008 00.01 GMT

The Guardian, Saturday November 22 2008

If we don't act together as Christians to do peaceful land reform outside the governmental system, the superrich will buy up and lock up the land from feeding the poor. The land is the God-given inheritance of all, including those poor and downtrodden. It has been, and continues to be, stolen. We must buy it and otherwise obtain back land for the sake of the many.

ECONOMY-US: Shelters and Soup Kitchens Hold Crisis Front Lines

By Heike Barkawitz

[IPS-Inter Press Service]

[October 9, 2008]

NEW YORK, Oct 9 (IPS) - Wall Street may be in the throes of agony, but business is booming at the Holy Apostles Soup Kitchen a bit farther north in the Manhattan neighbourhood of Chelsea.

And that's not particularly good news.

"Charities Crushed Under Soaring Demand." They are serving more and more needy people while donations dry up. By Bret Schulte. US News and World Report. July 11, 2008.

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The Christian Commons Projectâ„¢

CONTENTS
  1. INTRODUCTION
  2. Mandate from God: John 21:14-17
  3. There Are Hungry People even in the United States: Statistics from the U.S. Conference of Mayors
  4. Corn for Fuel: Serious environmental, health, and economic fallout
  5. Fuel Prices: Impact on food prices
  6. Foreclosures and Bankruptcies: Home foreclosures, bankruptcies, subprime-mortgage debacle, unemployment, stagflation, college loans
  7. Waging Wars on Borrowed Money: Sacrifice, savings, irrational consumption, credit disaster, expensive wars, reserve currency, the Petrodollar, the Euro, inflationary pressures
  8. Background: Data, traditional approaches, land ownership and uses
  9. 12 Myths About Hunger
  10. Why Not Just Give More Money to the Usual Charities? The Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ is Different: Commons as source
  11. The Commons Has a Number of Additional Benefits: Support, skills, education, safety, "green," alternative energy, innovation, laborsaving, sharing
  12. Heart and Soul of Christianity: Acts 2:44-45; Acts 4:32-35; Matthew 5:42; Matthew 12:36; Isaiah 32:7-8; Matthew 12:7; Matthew 23:23. Give and share, no baseless talk, warn, weightier matters
  13. Not Mere "Bible Thumping"
  14. The Failed Welfare Model and Failing Welfare Reform: Build, own, operate, and maintain; No breaking people
  15. How Is the Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ Organized?
  16. Some Guiding Principles of the Christian Commons: New Commandment, John 13:34, Greatest Commandment, Second Great Commandment, Golden Rule, Matthew 7:12
  17. Community Property Works: Religious orders, community property in marriage, Anabaptists, Kibbutzim, U.S. military, earliest Apostles, disciples, Jesus
  18. Just a Few of the Many Established Communities of Various Types
  19. Why Not Let the Secular Government Take Care of the Poor through Taxes?: Privatizers, taxes, selfish interest, private fiefdoms, "faith-based initiatives," political contributions, kickbacks
  20. Don't the Poor and Others Still Receive Help?: Coercive proselytizing and evangelizing
  21. Yes, But Isn't the "Faith-Based" Program Democratically Derived?: End-run around the establishment clause
  22. The Christian Commons is Better
  23. Christians Give without Holding out for Recompense
  24. Belong to Something Greater Than Yourself: God's whole, Matthew 25:34-40
  25. 501(c)(3)
  26. Link to this page: Copy and paste code
  27. Blogroll, Social Networking Links
  28. Neighbors, Friends, and Family All, God Bless You and Thank You
INTRODUCTION

The Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ is designed to carry out the mandate to the Church given by Jesus Christ in the Gospel According to Saint John the Evangelist, Chapter 21, Verses 14 through 17, to feed the people. It is the indisputable, irrevocable duty of every Christian and Jesus's whole Church acting in unity and harmony. Let no Christian doubt that disagreement with this obligation and divergence from this responsibility are decidedly unchristian.

Using up farmland for biofuels, rising fuel prices, foreclosures and bankruptcies, waging wars on borrowed money, and many other factors are contributing to hunger, homelessness, and many other problems. The traditional charitable system is as a Band-Aid over malignant, untreated cancer. The Christian Commons Projectâ„¢, however, is a plan for sustainable, green, and even bounty-increasing organic farms and facilities for producing needed goods and services that itself employs the poor and homeless having indivisible equity in the Commons and who, in turn, feed others and expand the Project. Generosity, cooperation, fair distribution, peace, harmlessness, voluntariness, and beneficialness are some of the guiding principles of the Christian Commons.

Welfare Reform has failed. Secular taxes won't work. The "faith-based initiatives" are the wrong approach. Unlike other plans, the Commons rather does not result in fiefdoms. Community Property though works. This written and public proposal and supplication to the softhearted presents solid evidence. Also, the Christian Commons reaches out to the people, to the willing, and to experts in every field to help with the further design and implementation of the Christian Commons Projectâ„¢.

Belong to that Someone greater than anyone else: God. Be moved to action both emotionally and spiritually. It's heading in exactly the direction Jesus wants us to go: Good stewardship and good shepherding. The Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ is a powerful plan you should want to help immediately.

The Real Liberal Christian Church & Christian Commons Project is a United States Internal Revenue Code §501(c)(3) Nonprofit, Public Charity, Religious Organization (ministry), as defined by the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, the principal purpose of which ministry is the advancement of religion, namely Christianity. Corporate donors may deduct all contributions to this 501(c)(3) up to an amount normally equal to 10% of taxable income. {Note: We do not endorse or campaign for or oppose any candidate for secular public office. We do not prefer such candidates. We do not seek to influence secular legislation but rather to influence hearts and souls individually and corporately as the Church, wholly separate and distinct from the secular state. It is within this light alone that we study and openly discuss secular policies and practices, to advance Christian understanding of all issues (environmental, political, human-rights, economic, democratic, scientific, social-justice, and more).}

For text-proofing, this Project is supported by scripture. The Commons rests upon: Acts 2:44-45; 4:32-35; Matthew 5:42; 12:36; 12:7; 23:23; 7:12; 25:34-40; John 13:34; Isaiah 32:7-8; and other passages.

Mandate from God

John 21:14-17 indisputably asserts an irrevocable ordinance and ultimatum to every single Christian and Jesus's whole Church to act in unity and harmony. Let no Christian doubt that disagreement with this obligation and divergence from this responsibility are decidedly unchristian and will earn the antichrists' reward.

This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Why then, despite Jesus Christ telling his disciple, Peter, in front of the others and three times for emphasis, that if he loves Jesus he will feed Jesus's lambs and sheep, has Christianity failed to do it? Why aren't consciences searing?

Let us finally do it. Let us finally truly be the Christian Church. Let us finally love him and one another, come together, and do what it takes to feed all his lambs and sheep, as he still asks so passionately in the Gospel. Can a real Christian do less? Can any church be Jesus Christ's and do less?

There Are Hungry People even in the United States

According to the U.S. Conference of Mayors (2007):

The major causes of hunger in survey cities are poverty, unemployment, and high housing costs. The hunger crisis is exacerbated by the recent spike in foreclosures, the increased cost of living in general, and increased cost of food.

17 percent of all people in need of food assistance and 15 percent of households with children are not receiving it.

...eighty percent) of survey cities reported that requests for emergency food assistance increased during the last year. Among fifteen cities that provided data, the median increase was 10 percent.

During the last year, members of households with children made up 23 percent of persons using emergency shelter and transitional housing programs in survey cities.

In 2005, an estimated 12.6 million households nationally were food insecure at some time during the year, meaning that a lack of resources prevented them from providing enough food for all members of the household. Food insecurity is more prevalent in large cities and rural areas....

Local governments and non-profit agencies operate emergency assistance programs like food pantries, emergency kitchens and home-delivered meal programs. These programs rely on donated food.... [however] the availability of food assistance has decreased [emphasis added] due to a sharp drop in the supply of commodity foods from the federal Agriculture Department's Bonus Commodity Program and a decrease in donations from supermarkets brought about by improved inventory tracking.

UPDATE: U.S. CONFERENCE OF MAYORS UPDATES HUNGER STATISTICS

 

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76th Annual Meeting

June 20-24, 2008

Miami

Of course, along with homelessness comes a host of other problems. It's a chicken and egg situation, which comes first. Something goes wrong, and it becomes a cascade of ills ranging from mental illness, substance abuse, HIV/AIDS, physical and developmental disabilities, and domestic violence, to other problems.

Of the hundreds of thousands of homeless in America (a growing figure), many are children and some 25% of those children are only 4 years old or younger. Many of the families are headed by single moms.

Many factors are contributing right now to an increase in all of the problems above.

Corn for Fuel

Food prices are going up along with general inflation. Food-guzzling biofuels, such as corn, are a double-edged sword. Using up farmland to grow corn for fuel rather than for food ends up increasing malnutrition and even starvation. On top of that, it actually adds to environmental problems. Nutrition isn't important for fuel, so not taking care of the soil is a result of cost cutting to be more price-competitive. This lack of care adds to soil erosion and chemical run off that includes toxic pesticides and herbicides that end up in drinking water and the food chain, causing serious health problems and generalized harm negatively impacting the whole biosphere. Runoff from artificially manufactured nitrogen-fertilizer, among doing other damage, causes huge dead zones in the oceans off river deltas, such as the Mississippi Delta, thereby harming fishermen and women, their families, and the seafood-eating community.

The 7,900-square-mile area with almost no oxygen, a condition called hypoxia, is about the size of Connecticut and Delaware together. The Louisiana-Texas dead zone is the world's second-largest hypoxic area.... (Source: Riversphere. Tulane University. July 2007.)

There are many, many other problems caused by or exacerbated by shortsighted biofuels. Seed that grows corn for biofuels doesn't have to meet the same standards as corn for human consumption. Artificially genetically engineered corn not fit for humans or even animal feed is claimed to be no problem, but cross-pollination occurs despite the assurances of the bioengineering seed companies. Corn prices have skyrocketed, and all the people who used to be fed on less expensive corn, including in poorer Mexico where corn has been the staple for centuries, have had to cut back and have been forced to turn to cheaper, less nutritious, fatty, fast, and heavily processed foods. Less land is being used to grow diverse human-food crops, so all crops are going up in price for the sake of powering vehicles that most of the poor can't even afford. It isn't feeding his lambs and sheep but rather making things worse in general. It's no Christian plan, and it's hurting poor people all over the world, directly and indirectly.

Fuel Prices

Despite biofuels, fuel prices have skyrocketed. Only a severe recession or depression will slow the pace or reverse it temporarily and soon. Also, Peak Oil is when production peaks and then inevitably goes down, since they aren't finding enough easy oil to keep up with increasing demand coming from rapidly developing nations such as China and India. New technologies hold out hope in the eyes of many, but that isn't feeding the lambs and sheep now. It will be too little, too late, for so many. We must start now in tackling problems (climate, hunger, homelessness, etc.) with one solution — real Christianity.

Mainstream farming runs on fossil fuels. As fuel prices go up, so do the food prices to pay for the fuel. That takes away from spending on other things or drives up debt for those who are not willing, or are unable, to cut back on consumption.

Foreclosures and Bankruptcies

Home foreclosures and bankruptcies are up due to the recent subprime-mortgage debacle. We've covered this issue, and many others, in more detail elsewhere on our website. Also, unemployment is increasing due to inflation and a general slowing of the economy. It's stagflation. The economy is stagnating in terms of lessening productivity even while costs are going up. In addition, many people are extremely under employed already in the U.S. due to all the off shoring of jobs and the importation of educated people from other countries, such as India, who are understandably willing to work for less. This has been driving down wages and salaries even for educated and skilled Americans, many of whom owe large sums on college loans. The trend is increasing.

Therefore, homelessness and crowding in homes is increasing as others make room for the dispossessed (relatives and others). The number of children in poverty is going up with it. This doesn't bode well for the children's educational and other prospects. It isn't good for them or for society as a whole. It's very bad planning. It shows a glaring lack of vision.

Waging Wars on Borrowed Money

All the spending on weapons and wars has more than strained the financial system. Add to it the lack of increase in sacrifice and savings and an irrational increase in wasteful, selfish consumption (called for by the U.S. government), and there is a financial-credit disaster in the making that will hit hardest those who are already the poorest and struggling.

The U.S. has foolishly borrowed from other nations to fight its hugely expensive wars. We see much of the result in the falling value of the dollar that is about to stop being the world's reserve currency. It won't be the Petrodollar anymore. It will be replaced by a basket of currencies with the emphasis placed upon the Euro. (We started writing and talking about this long before it hit the mainstream.)

When the dollar is just another currency rather than seen as back by the full faith and credit of the United States as meaning something especially solid, the U.S. dollar will fall even more. That will cause even more inflationary pressures. It's a vicious cycle that the so-called financial experts are finding worse than they had planned. It means though that the time to act to obtain land to grow free food for the poorest-of-the-poor is now. The longer we wait, the worse it will be and the harder it will be to set aside the resources to effectuate the program.

The following are webpages that contribute important background for informed decision making about the grave national and international food tragedy. Each link opens a new window or tab so you won't have to wait for our page to reload or lose your way back.

Please note that most of the following linked sites present heretofore traditional methods of dealing with hunger. We on the other hand, are offering the make root changes to correct the huge historical blunder that has led to the crisis.

  • The first site is a brief series entitled, "Hunger in America." It's on the National Public Radio (NPR) website. What the series points out is that hunger in America is more common than most people realize. People not often associated with hunger are often hit by economic hardship that prevents them from being able to afford enough healthy food.
  • The next site is Science Daily. Their article is, "Hunger In America Rises By 43 Percent Over Last Five Years." That was in 2005. Things have only worsened since then, as you are no doubt aware. Bear in mind that statistics normally lag. Real-time stats on hunger are unavailable. We do though have reasonable and useful estimates and projections based upon past and current indicators. You may also want to read this related story, "Economic Impact Of Hunger Affects All Americans: Cost To Nation Is $90 Billion," June 7, 2007, also on the Science Daily site. It touches upon how poor nutrition caused by hunger and poverty weakens health and the ability to learn. These factors are a huge cost to society at large. No one escapes having to bear a price for inherent, malignant neglect under the current economic regime.
  • Here we have an article, "Hunger in America," by Anuradha Mittal and reproduced on the Common Dreams site. The article is from December 10, 2004. What makes it particularly important is that it reminds us that humanity has been talking about hunger and about doing something to solve it for many years, decades, even centuries. We've included this article, because it points to the false-liberal mentality. People claim to be liberal, but then they don't give and share in the utmost spirit of generosity, harmlessness, and beneficence that will result in huge bounty rather than manufactured, economic scarcity. We do need to be bleeding-hearts: Compassionate, kind, gentle, giving and sharing, peaceful, and of pure mind and heart. [Please Note: This is not an endorsement of all the positions of George McGovern, who is quoted on the linked page.]
  • "Facts about hunger in America," is a brief and thoughtful article by John M. Arnold of the Second Harvest Gleaners Food Bank of West Michigan that explains how hunger hits people and how temporary, emergency help is often all that some people require. However, things are turning economically for the worse in the U.S. in ways that will make rebounding for many much more difficult. Also, we need a system where artificially created "busts" don't occur at all, ever. This is one of the reasons why we need to concentrate also on the long-term and not just on "economic booms, increases in wages, construction of low-income housing and increases in government aid programs." Those things have traditionally had an immediate impact upon reducing poverty and hence hunger; however, now that the fundamentals have shifted so that rich investors have off-shored their companies (moved them wholesale to 3rd-world countries to exploit the poorest of the poor via the lowest possible wages and nearly zero benefits, if any at all, poor safety and environmental dangers), the people of America must turn to creating the solution to the problem in addition to still providing the "Band-Aid" of food banks. What we need to do is set up a system that is insulated from the boom-and-bust business cycles and speculative frenzies cause by huge economic manipulators who thrive as sharks in a sea of bloodletting devouring the little fish and very often, one another as current-day robber barons comparable to those of the Gilded Age when Cornelius Vanderbilt, the railroad tycoon, expressed his feeling for the people when he said, "The public be damned!" The new system is Christianity that will bring forth beyond most people's imagination.
  • Lest you begin falsely to imagine that we care only about America and Americans, here is a site, Bread for the World, giving solid information about the International crisis that is hunger, starvation, and poverty. Their article, "Hunger Facts: International," also ties poverty to the problem of HIV/AIDS. Taken together, all of these sites and ours clearly demonstrate that depravation, oppression, and greedy exploitation all contribute to myriad problems. Bread for the Worldadvocates pressing secular governments to step up to these issues. While such government assistance can and does provide some relief, there are ultra-rich special-interest groups that press the opposite way. This is what Jesus was talking about when he discussed the divided house that does not continue standing indefinitely but rather invariably falls eventually and often rather abruptly. It is for this reason that we provide a non-secular-government alternative.Real Christians fully intend to, do, and will continue to, shoulder hunger wherever it exists on Earth.
  • "World Hunger," by the Global Policy Forum, is a good and succinct statement of the global problem. It also provides additional links for your consideration.
  • We need to set priorities straight. Resources being poured into war and other things against which Jesus clearly and plainly teaches could be, and should be, used for great humanitarian effect to improve the quality of life for everyone and not just the few at the top of the current economic system. A quick look at the monetary counter on the Cost of War website will set your mind to considering all the good works the U.S. could be doing with such expenditures, since billions of people live on less than 2 U.S. dollars per day.
  • We also have a link to "Causes of Hunger are related to Poverty," by Anup Shah on the Global Issues site. Anup puts his finger on the problem: Land ownership and use. Anup quotes J. W. Smith (Ph.D. environmental economics), concerning the destruction of the Commons (in this case, land belonging to the community where the people grow food for the whole) in favor of feudalism, which is the precedent for the current mistaken system that is depriving the poor of their God-given right to food without a commodity charge by the rich. We came to the same conclusion as J. W. Smith before running into his work on the Global Issues site. We strongly recommend you read the section entitled, "Land rights and ownership," on that site. If you are so inclined, continue reading the entire page. It is informative and touches upon many of the same themes we cover on our website as well.
  • Last but not least, we have some more back-up concerning inappropriate land use. "Meat Means Misery for the World's Hungry," GoVeg.com. If the human population where to stay the same as it is, all the grain now being used to feed animals for the slaughter would actually meet the needs of all the hungry people in the world. In other words, there is enough grain now to feed humanity. This of course also assumes that humanity stops doing all the detrimental things that will otherwise lead to reduced grain harvests for human consumption.

Now, let's dispel some myths about hunger so we may focus correctly. We'll use the Food First/Institute for Food and Development Policy's article, "12 Myths About Hunger," Policy Backgrounder, Summer 2006, as a good starting point and intersperse our own comments.

Myth 1:

Not Enough Food to Go Around

Reality: Abundance, not scarcity, best describes the world's food supply. Enough wheat, rice and other grains are produced to provide every human being with 3,200 calories a day. That doesn't even count many other commonly eaten foods - ­vegetables, beans, nuts, root crops, fruits, grass-fed meats, and fish. Enough food is available to provide at least 4.3 pounds of food per person a day worldwide: two and half pounds of grain, beans and nuts, about a pound of fruits and vegetables, and nearly another pound of meat, milk and eggs - enough to make most people fat! The problem is that many people are too poor to buy readily available food. Even most "hungry countries" have enough food for all their people right now. Many are net exporters of food and other agricultural products.

The question then is why are people poor? What is the root cause?<;/p>

Myth 2:

Nature is to Blame for Famine

Reality: It's too easy to blame nature. Human-made forces are making people increasingly vulnerable to nature's vagaries. Food is always available for those who can afford it - starvation during hard times hits only the poorest. Millions live on the brink of disaster in South Asia, Africa and elsewhere, because they are deprived of land [emphasis added] by a powerful few, trapped in the unremitting grip of debt, or miserably paid. Natural events rarely explain deaths; they are simply the final push over the brink. Human institutions and policies determine who eats and who starves during hard times. Likewise, in America many homeless die from the cold every winter, yet ultimate responsibility doesn't lie with the weather. The real culprits are an economy that fails to offer everyone opportunities, and a society that places economic efficiency over compassion.

"...deprived of land" is exactly correct. Why are they deprived of land? Why would the powerful decision-makers ostensibly selected by the people via also ostensibly free and fair democratic elections pass and enforce laws specifically designed to deprive the people of land? Is it to place "economic efficiency over compassion"? Well, it does produce the effect desired by those law and policy makers and enforcers. It is economically efficient only when the law of the jungle is the definition of economics being used. Left without any human intervention, the jungle was a complete, natural ecosystem where natural savagery and brutality was the free-market system. It was self-regulated. It did so amorally. This is not to say that even in that state of nature that animals do not have emotions. They do. However, their brains are not as large as Homo sapien brains, our brains. Their reasoning ability is vastly less. Human beings can overcome savagery and brutality. This is why we call savagery and brutality "inhuman." It is inhuman to lack pity and compassion, meaning the lack of pity and compassion and actions to match are more so the qualities of animals with less in the way of a cerebral cortex and especially frontal and temporal lobes: The material seats of humanness, that which sets us apart and most makes us what we are as a kind.

Myth 3:

Too Many People

Reality: Birth rates are falling rapidly worldwide as remaining regions of the Third World begin the demographic transition - ­when birth rates drop in response to an earlier decline in death rates. Although rapid population growth remains a serious concern in many countries, nowhere does population density explain hunger. For every Bangladesh, a densely populated and hungry country, we find a Nigeria, Brazil or Bolivia, where abundant food resources coexist with hunger. Or we find a country like the Netherlands, where very little land per person has not prevented it from eliminating hunger and becoming a net exporter of food. Rapid population growth is not the root cause of hunger. Like hunger itself, it results from underlying inequities that deprive people, especially poor women, of economic opportunity and security. Rapid population growth and hunger are endemic to societies where land ownership [emphasis added], jobs, education, health care, and old age security are beyond the reach of most people. Those Third World societies with dramatically successful early and rapid reductions of population growth rates - China, Sri Lanka, Colombia, Cuba and the Indian state of Kerala - prove that the lives of the poor, especially poor women, must improve before they can choose to have fewer children.

Again, we see "land ownership" as basic. As for the topic of women being in a position to "choose to have fewer children," that is a huge subject area. We know that China's population control is a highly publicized, coercive, and punishing system. The best method for getting everyone on the planet to do what is right is simply by exposing them to the full, real Christian message and not via any coercive measures whatsoever. Where all are truly being Christian, all would take the needs of each and all into complete consideration and act in perfect accord. It is the lack of real Christianity that has brought the world to its present crises. Why trust those with a constantly failed approach? After all, their clearly stated objective is allowing self-centeredness to do what it wants so long as it doesn't interfere with the claimed right of others to be likewise self-centered. It truly is an unregulated economic jungle that is ruthless competition and the struggle for mere fleshly survival. It is very unenlightened.

Myth 4:

The Environment vs. More Food?

Reality: We should be alarmed that an environmental crisis is undercutting our food-production resources, but a trade-off between our environment and the world's need for food is not inevitable. Efforts to feed the hungry are not causing the environmental crisis. Large corporations are mainly responsible for deforestation - creating and profiting from developed-country consumer demand for tropical hardwoods and exotic or out-of-season food items. Most pesticides used in the Third World are applied to export crops, playing little role in feeding the hungry, while in the U.S. they are used to give a blemish-free cosmetic appearance to produce, with no improvement in nutritional value.

Alternatives exist now and many more are possible. The success of organic farmers in the U.S. gives a glimpse of the possibilities. Cuba's success in overcoming a food crisis through self-reliance and sustainable, virtually pesticide-free agriculture is another good example. Indeed, environmentally sound agricultural alternatives can be more productive than environmentally destructive ones.

Myth 5:

The Green Revolution is the Answer

Reality: The production advances of the Green Revolution are no myth. Thanks to the new seeds, millions of tons more grain a year are being harvested. But focusing narrowly on increasing production cannot alleviate hunger because it fails to alter the tightly concentrated distribution of economic power that determines who can buy the additional food. That's why in several of the biggest Green Revolution successes - India, Mexico, and the Philippines - grain production and in some cases, exports, have climbed, while hunger has persisted and the long-term productive capacity of the soil is degraded. Now we must fight the prospect of a 'New Green Revolution' based on biotechnology, which threatens to further accentuate inequality.

The "Green Revolution" is a partial euphemism for short-sighted, anti-environmental farming. In most cases, the food coming from huge factory farms where visionless monetary-profit maximization is paramount is less nutritious and certainly less naturally colorful and flavorful as a direct result. Many of the "new seeds" are just one step from being terminator seeds, meaning the crops don't produce seeds the farmers may save for next season's planting. The farmers are there by locked into buying seed from bio-tech seed producers who have done this deliberately in an attempt to corner the market on food. It's sheer evil. Monsanto Corporation is just biding its time before dumping this on the open market. Furthermore, most of the seeds are patented; therefore, farmers are breaking the law by using seed saved for replanting. It may as well be terminator seed under the law. It's still sheer evil. Also, much of the seed is Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis) and Roundup Ready. The toxins have not been properly or fully studied. ("Bt Toxins in Genetically Modified Crops: Regulation by Deceit," by Prof. Joe Cummins. Institute of Science in Society March 23, 2004; and "Monsanto and the Roundup Ready Controversy," SourceWatch. Accessed: January 13, 2008.)

The "Green Revolution" was given its name by those who have sought to create a false association in the minds of the people with the "green" of environmental responsibility or Creation Care. If we can't take care of this planet, who will trust us with greater responsibility?

In addition to genetically modified foods, we now face the prospect of cloned foods and nanotech foods, all brought to us by anti-Christian, laissez faire, Capitalists who will fight to keep information about these things off food labels, thereby, making the people less free to choose since they will be uninformed. In addition, the food conglomerates seek to corner the food market with such commodities. They seek to place natural and organic foods out of the economic reach of billions (including nearly all Americans) if not all but the relatively ultra-rich.

Myth 6:

We Need Large Farms

Reality: Large landowners who control most of the best land often leave much of it idle. Unjust farming systems leave farmland in the hands of the most inefficient producers. By contrast, small farmers typically achieve at least four to five times greater output per acre, in part because they work their land more intensively and use integrated, and often more sustainable, production systems. Without secure tenure, the many millions of tenant farmers in the Third World have little incentive to invest in land improvements, to rotate crops, or to leave land fallow for the sake of long-term soil fertility. Future food production is undermined. On the other hand, redistribution of land can favor production. Historically comprehensive land reforms have markedly increased production in countries as diverse as Japan, Zimbabwe, and Taiwan. A World Bank study of northeast Brazil estimates that redistributing farmland into smaller holdings would raise output an astonishing 80 percent.

Here again, we come back to land ownership and uses and the reasons behind the current system versus what is best. Land-ownership consolidation or monopolization by huge corporations whose incentive again is monetary-profit is the root problem. This is the direct result of using the law of the jungle as the law of economics (the rules of running the household that is Earth and all of existence, actually). It is amorality and also deliberate immorality that are the root causes of all the economic problems of the world; whereas, morality is the real, true, human rule for the house. Otherwise, the house will continue falling down, as we have seen happen over and over throughout history.

Myth 7:

The Free Market Can End Hunger

Reality: Unfortunately, such a "market-is-good, government-is-bad" formula can never help address the causes of hunger. Such a dogmatic stance misleads us that a society can opt for one or the other, when in fact every economy on earth combines the market and government in allocating resources and distributing goods. The market's marvelous efficiencies can only work to eliminate hunger, however, when purchasing power is widely dispersed.

So all those who believe in the usefulness of the market and the necessity of ending hunger must concentrate on promoting not the market, but the consumers! In this task, government has a vital role to play in countering the tendency toward economic concentration, through genuine tax, credit, and land reforms to disperse buying power toward the poor. Recent trends toward privatization and de-regulation are most definitely not the answer.

Here is where the Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ differs most with tradition. Laissez faire capitalism doesn't really exist anywhere. Laissez faire means "let do." It claims to be for complete deregulation; however, it has one proviso that is absolutely telling concerning its inherent hypocrisy and that is that the government or state is to enforce capitalism, meaning it is to regulate against voluntary cooperation taking over even peacefully and by the power of honest persuasion. The laissez faire, let-do, advocates do not want to compete against cooperation. They want the state to use violence to put down voluntary cooperation in any case where too many people in the eyes of the so-called free-market advocates come together in the spirit of family and community, as Jesus taught those concepts.

Myth 8:

Free Trade is the Answer

Reality: The trade promotion formula has proven an abject failure at alleviating hunger. In most Third World countries exports have boomed while hunger has continued unabated or actually worsened. While soybean exports boomed in Brazil - to feed Japanese and European livestock - hunger spread from one-third to two-thirds of the population. Where the majority of people have been made too poor to buy the food grown on their own country's soil, those who control productive resources will, not surprisingly, orient their production to more lucrative markets abroad. Export crop production squeezes out basic food production. So-called free trade treaties like NAFTA and WTO pit working people in different countries against each other in a 'race to the bottom,' where the basis of competition is who will work for less, without adequate health coverage or minimum environmental standards. Mexico and the U.S. are a case in point: since NAFTA we have had a net loss of over a million jobs here in the U.S., while Mexico has lost 1.3 million in the agricultural sector alone and hunger is on the rise in both countries.

Myth 9:

Too Hungry to Fight for Their Rights

Reality: Bombarded with images of poor people as weak and hungry, we lose sight of the obvious: for those with few resources, mere survival requires tremendous effort. If the poor were truly passive, few of them could even survive. Around the world, from the Zapatistas in Chiapas, Mexico to the Landless People's Movement in South Africa, wherever people are suffering needlessly movements for change are underway. People will feed themselves, if allowed to do so. It's not our job to 'set things right' for others. Our responsibility is to remove the obstacles in their paths, obstacles often created by large corporations and U.S. government, World Bank and IMF policies.

"It's not our job to 'set things right' for others. Our responsibility is to remove the obstacles in their paths...." Well, the truth is that removing obstacles is setting things right. Jesus's message exposes obstacles and removes them. That's why the selfish have always hated him so much and even murdered him. Those who don't understand his message and blame him for the twisted, selfish version preached by so many are themselves still blocked.

Myth 10:

More U.S. Aid Will Help the Hungry

Reality: Most U.S. aid works directly against the hungry. Foreign aid can only reinforce, not change, the status quo. Where governments answer only to elites, our aid not only fails to reach hungry people, it shores up the very forces working against them. Our aid is used to impose free trade and free market policies, to promote exports at the expense of food production, and to provide the arms that repressive governments use to stay in power. Even emergency, or humanitarian aid, which makes up only eight percent of the total, often ends up enriching American grain companies while failing to reach the hungry, and it can dangerously undercut local food production in the recipient country. It would be better to use our foreign aid budget for unconditional debt relief, as it is the foreign debt burden that forces most Third World countries to cut back on basic health, education and anti-poverty programs.

To clarify here, it is the type of aid that is at issue. More aid of the right kind will help the hungry.

Myth 11:

We Benefit From Their Poverty

Reality: The biggest threat to the well-being of the vast majority of Americans is not the advancement but the continued deprivation of the hungry. Low wages - both abroad and in inner cities at home - ­may mean cheaper bananas, shirts, computers and fast food for most Americans, but in other ways we pay heavily for hunger and poverty. Enforced poverty in the Third World jeopardizes U.S. jobs, wages and working conditions as corporations seek cheaper labor abroad. In a global economy, what American workers have achieved in employment, wage levels, and working conditions can be protected only when working people in every country are freed from economic desperation.

Here at home, policies like welfare reform throw more people into the job market than can be absorbed - at below minimum wage levels in the case of 'workfare'- which puts downward pressure on the wages of those on higher rungs of the employment ladder. The growing numbers of 'working poor' are those who have part- or full-time low wage jobs yet cannot afford adequate nutrition or housing for their families. Educating ourselves about the common interests most Americans share with the poor in the Third World and at home allows us to be compassionate without sliding into pity. In working to clear the way for the poor to free themselves from economic oppression, we free ourselves as well.

Pity and compassion are synonyms. Taking pity on others is right to do.

It is obvious that the position of Food First/Institute for Food and Development false on the traditional spectrum that is the false dichotomy of free-markets versus the state. They are advocating a mixed economy over laissez faire and leaning way over to what is usually considered market-socialism. This is not Christianity, albeit it is softer hearted than the law of the jungle of self-styled-Libertarian-Capitalist laws of economics. Jesus taught against making any monetary profit off one's siblings and neighbors or anyone. He taught that there is no real profit in it, for one loses one's soul in the Faustian bargain.

Myth 12:

Curtail Freedom to End Hunger?

Reality: There is no theoretical or practical reason why freedom, taken to mean civil liberties, should be incompatible with ending hunger. Surveying the globe, we see no correlation between hunger and civil liberties. However, one narrow definition of freedom - the right to unlimited accumulation of wealth-producing property and the right to use that property however one sees fit - is in fundamental conflict with ending hunger. By contrast, a definition of freedom more consistent with our nation's dominant founding vision holds that economic security for all is the guarantor of our liberty. Such an understanding of freedom is essential to ending hunger.

"...the right to unlimited accumulation of wealth-producing property and the right to use that property however one sees fit" is not something Jesus coerces away from anyone. Rather, Christianity teaches that the coercion employed by those who advocate that accumulation and so-called right is an offense against God. Jesus taught to let them (the spiritually blind lead the spiritually blind) while he told them to let Christians be Christians. That's the real laissez faire and not where the selfish use the state for enforced selfishness. The learning is ongoing.

Why Not Just Give More Money to the Usual Charities? The Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ is Different

The Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ is a plan for sustainable, green, and even bounty-increasing organic farms and facilities for producing needed goods and services. The Christian Commons is the equal (community) property of all the Christian Church members. It is owned and operated by all for the benefit of all.

Other charitable projects are often very well-intentioned and do, in fact, help many people who would otherwise not be assisted. However, most such charities are part of a circular system that facilitates (intentionally or not) environmental depletion and degradation and promotes greater artificial economic scarcity while also failing to break the cycle of the dependency of the poor on handouts rather than giving them what they really need, which is their own land they work and housing they build, run, and maintain together for the sake of the many and to help others to help yet others, ad infinitum (full circle and always up).

The vast majority of charities receive donations in money and goods and some services that they, in turn, distribute to the needy. There are charities of course that serve in ways designed to lift the needy into at least lower-middle class status through job training and placement. Those are better than nothing; however, they still don't alter the structural problems that allow people to slip down, very often due to conditions beyond their ability to control. It is far from always the fault of the poor. Many are simply downtrodden by the visionless system.

The Christian Commons distributes food, goods, and services; however, the Commons is most often the original source and self-employs the very people the Commons are designed to help. To clarify, the Commons is open to all real Christians, including the highly educated and also the rich and superrich who wish to change their lifestyle and pitch in physically and otherwise.

The Christian Commons is where Christians and converts live on the communal land and grow a wide range of organic food and make environmentally friendly things, even highly technical and skilled, for each other and for the benefit of everyone else. This greatly helps to break the cycle of dependency on the system responsible for, among others, the societal ills cited above.

Excess production or bounty (when our cup runneth over — Psalm 23:5) is shared with those in need off the Commons. Donations will be continually helpful and accepted, of course. Where bounty is such that transportation has reached environmentally sound limits, the remaining bounty is still shared with evermore affluent people in the local areas, who it is hoped will help financially and otherwise. We're sure many will change their opinions and positions and come around to Jesus's way of thinking.

What we don't want to do is burn huge quantities of fossil fuels, which is the routine method now, to transport food long distances. What we want instead is to create more Commons spread out to cover ever-larger geographical areas. This helps reduce pollution and reduces local unemployment in addition to numerous other benefits.

The Commons Has a Number of Additional Benefits
  • Mental and spiritual support
  • Uplifting, unselfish purpose
  • Well-rounded skills
  • Full education
  • Warm, friendly, safe environment
  • Environmentally "green"
  • Excess alternative energy
  • Innovation
  • Laborsaving output shared and enjoyed by all

The Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ provides much highly beneficial mental and spiritual support. Christian fellowshipping greatly aids the depressed. Living and working on the farms for an unselfish purpose and working in the facilities that produce everything communities need uplifts the people and affords them very valuable and well-rounded skills. All the children and adults receive full educations as well and in an environment that is as warm, friendly, and safe as we can make it while we also go into the world to do all the things Jesus asks us to do and to the best of our God-given abilities. The people of the commons do not forget prisoners or veterans or any others Jesus says to visit and aid. The Commons is as environmentally "green" as possible and is able to produce excess alternative energy to add back into the wider grid for the benefit of all. The Real Liberal Christian Church (RLCC) is already 100% wind-power based. We made the switch in June 2007 ("Green Up Seattle"). The Christian Commons is a place of innovation coming out of unselfish hearts. The Commons is not a Luddite concept where laborsaving devices are frowned upon for fear of putting people out of work. Rather, the laborsaving output of such devices on the Christian Commons is shared and enjoyed by all.

This is Part of the Heart and Soul of Christianity

All Christians believe the following:

And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. Acts 2:44-45.

And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. Acts 4:32-35.

All real Christians believe that Acts 2:44-45 and Acts 4:32-35 came directly from the Holy Spirit (consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ) that taught Jesus's earliest disciples who, in turn, passed on the teaching. This belief is an indispensable component of Christianity. It always has been. It's not optional. All Christians know this and profess it with one accord, with gladness, and singleness of heart and soul.

Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Matthew 5:42.

Christians don't judge or condemn to poverty or anything else. Christians seek the standard they want applied to them. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Matthew 12:36. Christians are not accusers looking for punishment. They stand against baseless (idle) witness or false witness. They only seek to warn of harm and to shine the path to consistent benefit and bounty. This is why Jesus spoke words that exposed the lies and deception of those who expropriate power and authority, who seize the rights and possessions of others by force, who by evil means deny and deprive even the righteous hearted, as they denied Jesus.

Giving and sharing is Christian and bringing forth bountifully for all is the real meaning of liberal. The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right. But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand. Isaiah 32:7-8. The "churl" is stingy, greedy, acquisitive, hoarding, and creates artificial scarcity by (among other restrictions and regulations) commodifying food (charging) rather than bringing forth the free bounty from Godhood called for and exemplified by Jesus. The true liberal is not morally unrestrained, does not condone immoral behavior, but does not punish or coerce. The real liberal warns and calls for mercy. But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. Matthew 12:7. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23.

This means that the more important matters (weightier) of the law and judgment (more important than ceremonies or rites) are to point out and correct the unjust methods of the greedy and covetous who come up with ways to destroy the poor and who lie about them, even when the needy are speaking the truth.

Not Mere "Bible Thumping"

We cite chapter and verse to reach those who do so but who do so selectively, thereby, passing over Acts 2:44-45 and 4:32-35 and the other direct and implicit teachings of Jesus that clearly and plainly call for, among other things, changing the basis of economics to giving and sharing and cooperation and away from selfishness and the spirit of competition. If no one stands up to point out to those who say they are Christians and that Christianity does not require adherence to Acts 2:44-45 and 4:32-35 but rather their exact opposites, then those who would otherwise see the truth will not turn to do what Jesus asked of Peter and all Jesus's followers (all Christians): Feed my lambs. They will not see the way to give, to hold all things as community property shared by God, and to feed all God's children through God's adding bounty in response to righteous emotions and behaviors.

The Failed Welfare Model and Failing Welfare Reform

Those American city-dwellers old enough will remember the huge housing projects that were built after the Korean War. Many of them became hellish places to live and have been torn down. What went wrong, and what does it have to do with the Christian Commons?

Those housing projects became as human warehouses for the poor and oppressed. The projects were often not maintained and even subjected to deliberate neglect by very hardhearted politicians. The residents were severely neglected and financially trapped.

Most importantly, the residents had little to no involvement in building, running, or maintaining the projects. The Christian Commons concept is exactly the opposite. The residents of the Commons build, own, operate, and maintain everything. They decide together at the lowest levels possible. They decide in the spirit of service that Jesus advocates.

The spirit of the Commons is in the form of "what may I do for my fellows" (the fellowship) versus "what may I get for myself." In that way, all ships rise with the tide. It is a great example for upcoming generations. It has a profound and beneficial impact.

What else was wrong? The welfare system paid more to families that broke up than it did to those that stayed together. Desperate families broke up just so their children would receive more assistance. The downward spiral that has resulted hasn't bottomed out even yet. It has had a highly negative multi-generational result. The Commons, however, doesn't duplicate any of that.

On the contrary, there is no such pressure to break up marriages on the Christian Commons. Christians remain faithful, harmless, beneficial marriage partners, as one flesh, as Jesus called it. That is emphasized. It too has a beneficial impact upon children, especially those raised in the Commons.

The Progressive impetus behind public housing and the welfare state mostly started out with right motives; however, as is always the case with the selfish, the programs were deliberately neglected, undercut, and corrupted to cause them to fail so the forces of greed (the unclean spirits) could come to the fore again, as we have seen with Reaganomics, which has done nothing but exacerbate harm.

How Is the Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ Organized?

The Commons reaches out to the people, to the willing, and to experts in every field to help with the further design and implementation of the Christian Commons Projectâ„¢. There are people who know a great deal about each aspect of creating, maintaining, and enhancing truly bountiful organic farms and environmentally intelligent housing, manufacturing, alternative-energy production, storage, and much, much more. Many of their talents are being wasted by the actions and inactions of certain for-profit corporations that don't wish to see the progress the whole world needs to solve the problems raised in this written, public proposal and supplication. The Commons is an opportunity for everyone involved to showcase to the world the many alternative forms of building and the rest that the vast majority of the world's citizenry doesn't know is readily available. This plan is readily translatable around the world where it is sorely needed.

Some Guiding Principles of the Christian Commons

Generosity, cooperation, fair distribution, peace, harmlessness, voluntariness, and beneficialness are all wrapped in the New Commandment. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. John 13:34. Our guiding principle is truly to love as he means it here, which meaning is informed by his exemplary life (good deeds) and all his teachings (including his teachings about the Greatest Commandment: To love God with our all; the Second Great Commandment: To love our neighbors, who is everyone, as ourselves; and the Golden Rule that he came to fulfill: All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them. Matthew 7:12).

Community Property Works

There are a number of examples where community property has been historically shown to be highly successful.

Religious orders or apostolic associations, such as monasterries and convents, are often a type of community property. Their model wasn't spread to the wider community, because the privilege was jealously guarded by the Roman Catholic Church and reserved to their ordained, as the elite. The laity (non-clerics) were denied the privilege and benefits of living with all things held in common.

Another example of successful community property is marriage in certain states in the U.S. Arizona is a case in point. Married people in Arizona hold property acquired in marriage (with certain qualifications) as their community property. It is very egalitarian. In most other jurisdictions, the male is granted more rights by the state over earnings and property acquired in marriage.

As for community property where raising food is often central, many Anabaptists (many tens of thousands) run highly successful communally owned farming enterprises. They do so largely without donations from outsiders. Although they are reaching out more now than in the recent past, their model has differed from the Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ because they suffered much persecution and as a consequence, kept even more to themselves (one of their original tenets is separation) and became, in common parlance, highly self-reliant.

The Hutterites for example number somewhere between 40 and 50 thousand living in hundreds of communally (communistically, collectively) owned colonies. Most of these are farms.

The Hutterian Brethren [one Anabaptist denomination that is relatively highly communist] have felt somewhat guilty of their mission efforts in the recent past. So in the past few years more effort has been put forth in this area. Currently ,the Hutterian Brethren are involved in a mission field in Nigeria, Africa. (source)

The Christian Commons, however, deliberately does not keep to itself regardless of persecution. The Commons both gives and receives so the giving-and-sharing pattern spreads far and wide. The Commons does not teach an either-or dichotomy concerning separation. Jesus Christ was both separated to God and working in the world to bring forth righteousness and not separation of Church from state but to replace the state of unrighteousness with righteousness. Ultimately, Heaven will be both the Church and the State as one, unforced, uncoerced.

The RLCC has a strong affinity with the Hutterites, especially those who are now engaging in missionary work, but their views on Church and state and history of severe separation are not the only factors that keep the RLCC from being Hutterite. The RLCC does not share the male-dominated view of what is termed traditional Pauline Christianity. We see in scripture a mixed (hypocritical) message in the Pauline Epistles, which hypocrisy we avoid duplicating.

The Kibbutzim of Israel are also another prime example where community property has been highly successful. The community-owned farms known as Kibbutzim literally fed the nation and still account for a large percentage of the food in Israel. Privatizers there, however, are also being very short-sighted and selfish and have passed laws designed eventually to eliminate the Kibbutzim.

Other examples of community property would be all instances where people live and work within secular governmental systems where the government is owned by the people. The ownership is considered less direct and the decision making is often top-down only, but even the U.S. military is more a communal effort than seen as private versus governmental. That is something the privatizers constantly seek to change for the sake of adding a layer of middlemen and women who take the lion's share of the benefit of expending the people's tax revenues.

Just a Few of the Many Established Communities of Various Types:
  • The following claim at least some Christianity: Some practice ecumenism and even syncretism
  • Not an endorsement: Some are misguided, clearly condoning various antichrist behavior
  • Some of the linked communities though clearly dispel the false notions about communal living spread by fear-mongers and selfish enemies of the giving and sharing path laid down by Jesus Christ and his closest disciples {Small-c commune-ism (not the spoiler Marxism but rather Christianity — non-violent/non-coercive, leveling, definitely of the Holy Spirit) is not a failed system at all, quite the contrary}
  • There are communes with many thousands of members and numerous locations living completely communistically
  • Some have been in existence for many decades
  • Several have famous roots and outgrowths
  • Several are very close to the Christian Commons; however, none but the RLCC so far views proselytizing the Commons as a fundamental requirement and focus — part of the single vision of which Jesus spoke
  • Located in the U.S. unless otherwise noted
  1. 28 Forest, north of Boston, Massachusetts
  2. Agape, Ware, Massachusetts
  3. Agape Community, Liberty, Tennessee
  4. Alleluia, Augusta, Georgia
  5. ARC Retreat Center, Stanchfield, Minnesota
  6. Beech Grove, Nonington, Kent, U.K.
  7. Bethlehem Farm, Alderson, West Virginia
  8. Bread and Roses - Base community, Hamburg, Germany
  9. Camphill Village Minnesota, Inc., Sauk Centre, Minnesota
  10. Camphill Village USA, Inc., Copake, New York, Columbia County
  11. Camphill Village, Newton Dee, Aberdeen, Scotland, U.K.
  12. Conventual Community of Saint Francis, Columbus, Ohio
  13. Corvallis Conservation Farm, Corvallis, Montana
  14. De Regenboog, Brussels, Belgium
  15. Elim, Evangelische Leefgemeenschap Immanuël, Doorn, Netherlands
  16. Elmendorf Christian Community, Mountain Lake, Minnesota
  17. Elohim City, Muldrow, Oklahoma
  18. Emmaus, Gettysburg, Pennsylvania
  19. Everything Jesus Ranch, Seguin, Texas
  20. Father Divine's Peace Mission Movement, Gladwyne, Pennsylvania
  21. Fox Hill, Walden, New York
  22. Freie Christliche Jugendgemeinschaft, Lüdenscheid, Germany
  23. Greenhaus Community, Boston, Massachusetts
  24. Hesbjerg, Blommenslyst, Denmark
  25. Hillside Covenant Community, Ft. Wayne, Indiana
  26. Holden Village, Chelan, Washington
  27. Hutterian Brethren, Reardan, Washington
  28. Iona Community, Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
  29. Ishayas, Salmon Arm, British Columbia, Canada
  30. Jan Hus Church and Neighborhood House, New York, New York
  31. Jesus Christians, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia; Los Angeles, California; London, U.K.; Nairobi, Kenya
  32. Jesus People, Chicago, Illinois
  33. Jonah House, Richmond, Virginia
  34. Jubilee Partners, Comer, Georgia
  35. Kadesh-biyqah, Arvika, Sweden
  36. Kana-Gemeinschaft, Dortmund, Germany
  37. Koinonia, Americus, Georgia
  38. L'Arche - Homefires, Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada
  39. L'Arche Mobile, Mobile, Alabama
  40. Lake Village, Kalamazoo, Michigan
  41. LeisureLand!, Swisshome, Oregon
  42. Little Flower Catholic Worker Farm, Louisa, Virginia
  43. Living Rock Cooperative, East Lansing, Michigan
  44. LivingStone Monastery, Newport News, Virginia
  45. Mourne Grange Camphill Village Community, Co Down, N. Ireland, U.K.
  46. The Mustard Seed House, Seattle, Washington
  47. Nehemiah Community, Springfield, Massachusetts
  48. New Creation Christian Community, U.K.: Northampton, Coventry & Warwickshire, Birmingham, Leicester, London, Sheffield, Belfast, Brighton & Hove, Bristol, Leeds, Liverpool, Milton Keynes, Oxford, Preston, Swansea
  49. Order of Saint Benedict, Multiple locations
  50. The Othona Community, Essex, England, U.K.
  51. Othona Community Burton Bradstock, Bridport, Dorset, U.K.
  52. Palmgrove Christian Community, Abak AKS, Nigeria
  53. Pathfinder Fellowship, London, England, U.K.
  54. Pennine Camphill Community, W Yorkshire, Wakefield, U.K.
  55. Plow Creek, Tiskilwa, Illinois
  56. Reba Place Fellowship, Evanston, Illinois
  57. Rose Creek Village, Selmer, Tennessee
  58. Scargill Community, Skipton, North Yorkshire, U.K.
  59. Seattle's Intentional Community Program, Seattle, Washington
  60. Servants of Jesus Community, Seven Hills, Sydney, NSW, Australia
  61. Shepherdsfield, Fulton, Missouri
  62. Shiloah Valley Community, Eskdale, Utah
  63. Shiloh Community, Sulphur Springs, Arkansas
  64. Sojourners Internship House, Washington, District Of Columbia
  65. St. John's Order, South San Francisco, California
  66. Sunnyside Farm, Mokane, Missouri
  67. Taizé Community, Taizé, France
  68. Twelve Tribes Community in Chattanooga, Chattanooga, Tennessee
  69. Varsity House, Corvallis, Oregon
  70. Wildflower Christian Community, Melrose, Florida

The New Creation Christian Community and the Jesus Army have many additional links to Intentional Community sites referring to themselves to some degree as Christian.

Of course, let us not forget that the earliest Apostles and disciples of Jesus and Jesus himself lived with community property. Jesus gave and shared all he possessed that was, and is, according to Jesus, God's. If it was right for all of them and for Jesus, how could it be wrong or not work? How could any Christian believe Jesus and his earliest followers were wrong and still call herself or himself a Christian?

Why Not Let the Secular Government Take Care of the Poor through Taxes?

As mentioned, the privatizers seek to be the largest beneficiaries of taxes raised under the coercive power of the secular state. Those privatizers usually take the form of for-profit corporations. It is not in their selfish interest to correct the problems but rather to build private fiefdoms where the problem sustains them. A fief is property held by those who pay taxes to those who grant the fief.

There are non-profits and religious organizations now receiving funds out of mandatory U.S. taxes. In the case of religious organizations, the system has been termed "faith-based initiatives." In this instance, the secular government demands taxes. It then allocates funds to the religious organizations of its choosing based upon the predilections of the executive in power at the time swayed by political contributions and deals that are, in fact, a form of kickbacks. A government kickback is where some of the money received via a contract is given to the governmental official or his or her causes directly benefiting the official and at the direct negative expense of the general welfare (the benefit of all regardless of personal persuasion, opinion, position, and the like). The U.S. Constitution was established to "promote the general welfare": Everyone. The religious organizations receiving the tax proceeds are thereby boosted in both visibility and operations over other religious organizations not in favor with the executive. In a competitive society, the selfish are incentivized by the secular executive at the time to take the funds and further his or her cause over the general welfare. Those who refuse to participate in this coercive scheme are reduced in both visibility and operations relative to those who participate. That is the intention of the program. It's deceptive: Basically dishonest. It's double-dealing and double-crosses tax-payers at-large.

Don't the Poor and Others Still Receive Help?

They do, however, not without at a minimum some proselytizing effect by the given "faith-based" organization paid for out of the general and coerced tax revenues of the secular government. Just the fact that the given organization is, in turn, giving away coerced taxes given to them lends itself to a more positive, albeit false, impression of that organization in the eyes of many recipients and much of the general public. Also, there have been instances where aid recipients have been required to undergo even overt religious proselytizing and evangelizing. This is not right coming out of the secular government that forces people to pay taxes: Forcing people to work, earn, and pay taxes to further religions with which they don't necessarily hold. Jesus forced no one to support his cause. All was and is to be voluntary. Even when he cleansed the Temple of those conducting commerce, he was working within his own house where everyone joining is to do so voluntarily. None of those conducting commerce were required to join the real religion. They were free under Jesus's interpretation to choose to be slaves to unrighteousness but not in his house.

This is not a condemnation of those taking funds from the secular state. Even Jesus walked the paved roads of the coercive Roman Empire. Those roads were coerced tax money at work. It is the coercion that is the offense against God's way.

Yes, But Isn't the "Faith-Based" Program Democratically Derived?

Laying aside issues of limited, representational, democratic republicanism as the form of government and how the U.S. came to have such a government and whether or not it is properly functioning, the U.S. Constitution nevertheless forbids the secular government from changing from being a secular government to a government that has established religion without amending that Constitution. That means that the U.S. government as the state may not institutionalize a religion as an organ of that state. It cannot make a religion part of the structure of the state. This is balanced by the provision that the state cannot forbid the free exercise of religion. Hence, since people in military service are captives of the state while in service and in order to not prevent their free exercise, chaplains are provided who have traditionally functioned in a highly ecumenical manner. Forbidding establishment and guaranteeing free exercise was an attempt to preclude historical abuses done by religions as governments and to religions by such governments. To be honest, the faith-based initiatives are an end-run around the establishment clause. There are so-called Christians who want to see this, but Christians are supposed to go about things in an honest manner — being able to justify actions under a full reading of the teachings and deeds of Jesus. Doing otherwise is to fall to succumb to temptation rather than rising above and overcoming as called for by Christ.

The Christian Commons is Better
  • The Commons does not coerce.
  • It does not result in fiefdoms. Unlike the privatized (secular-government-funded private contractors), the Commons will not contain a layer of people taking the lion's share.
  • The Christian Commons is leveling and fair. It raises the bottom.
  • The Commons seeks to correct problems. The Commons does not benefit by systemic poverty. There are no kickbacks in the way of the Christian Commons. Those who give expect that the general welfare of both Christians and non-Christians will be the goal.
  • They will know that non-Christians will be voluntarily converted when they see the giving and sharing path advocated by Jesus Christ in operation in the open.

The Commons is designed deliberately to shine the light into the world.

Christians Give without Holding out for Recompense

What's in it for me if I give to the Christian Commons Projectâ„¢? This is what sets real Christians apart. We break the cardinal rule of non-profit fundraising. We don't tempt you to selfishness. We appeal solely to your unselfish sense of Christian compassion and God-given intelligence.

Will the RLCC send me a gift to acknowledge my donations? Real Christians know that they don't give to get that way in return. They give, because it's the right thing to do. Are there benefits to giving? Of course there are. Every little bit helps, and the saying "what goes around, comes around" applies to righteousness too. After all, Jesus said to magnify the light not because of the evil it would bestow but because of the blessing. He meant it generally and specifically and concerning individuals and the whole of society willing to receive it.

Does this mean the Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ will never have its name on anything that a member or donor may obtain as an outward sign of unity, not even a simple T-shirt for instance?

We start out on the right foot. We avoid selfish incentives for giving. The inner condition of one's heart will be reflected outwardly. Receiving is not the motive for giving, not even part of it. As a Christian, you don't want some of your donation being spent on giving you something in return, since that's fooling yourself. It's partially buying yourself something when the object is to be giving to others. Also, to those to whom it matters, in cases in which a donor receives a "gift" in return for the donation, only the value of the donation exceeding the value of the gift is tax deductible on U.S. federal income tax returns. More importantly, as a real Christian, you really want your entire donation, especially while the Project is on the ground floor, going to keeping the cause alive, making it grow, and helping it become hugely fruitful. You believe in serving others. Since you believe in Jesus, you want to be completely unselfish.

Such items from the Commons will be given out free of charge according to need. Those who wish to donate may. That's good!

Belong to Something Greater Than Yourself

As for belonging to something greater than yourself, nothing's greater than God. When we house, employ, and feed, etc., his lambs and sheep (each other), we are feeding Jesus. We are feeding God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit dwelling in spirit in our fellow human beings. The poor and everyone else are part of God's whole realm.

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Matthew 25:34-40

Again, can any church be Jesus's and do less?

Now What?

First things first: The Church can't do anything without the spirit of help moving people such as you. Therefore, we call you to action right now to set up on-going contributions so, together, we bring this God-compelled project to fruition for the benefit of the hungry and homeless, to lessen the strain on existing social services, to provide an opportunity for people who want more than the heretofore traditional approaches, to reduce global warming, and to have so many other beneficial results.

I'm Spiritually Moved to Act Right Now

I love this. It's heading in exactly the direction Jesus wants us to go: Good stewardship and good shepherding. The Christian Commons Projectâ„¢ is a powerful plan. I want to be a part of it. Take me directly to where I may schedule donations.

 

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  • We are not trying to influence secular elections but rather want people to come out from that entire fallen system.
  • When we analyze or discuss what is termed "public policy," we do it entirely from a theological standpoint with an eye to educating professing Christians and those to whom we are openly always proselytizing to convert to authentic Christianity.
  • It is impossible for us to fully evangelize and proselytize without directly discussing the pros and cons of public policy and the positions of secular-office holders, hence the unconstitutionality of the IRS code on the matter.
  • We are not rich and wouldn't be looking for a fight regardless. What we cannot do is compromise our faith (which seeks to harm nobody, quite the contrary).
  • We render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We render unto God what is God's.
  • When Caesar says to us that unless we shut up about the unrighteousness of Caesar's policies and practices, we will lose the ability of people who donate to us to declare their donations as deductions on their federal and state income-tax returns, we say to Caesar that we cannot shut up while exercising our religion in a very reasonable way.
  • We consider the IRS code on this matter as deliberate economic duress (a form of coercion) and a direct attempt by the federal government to censor dissenting, free political and religious speech.
  • It's not freedom of religion if they tax it.

And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. (Matthew 17:24-26)

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    About Tom Usher

    Employment: 2008 - present, website developer and writer. 2015 - present, insurance broker. Education: Arizona State University, Bachelor of Science in Political Science. City University of Seattle, graduate studies in Public Administration. Volunteerism: 2007 - present, president of the Real Liberal Christian Church and Christian Commons Project.
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    • Good information. Prayers are going out.

    • @Tilly - Hello Tilly,

      You tested the comment form on the CCP post. I changed from standard to so-called pretty permalinks. I believe that's why the comment went through for moderation.

      I'll leave comments open for now. We'll see how it goes.

      I visited your site. I enjoyed the sentiment. You obviously want your heart in the right place. Keep going in the right direction, and you'll arrive.

      Blessings,

      Tom Usher

      P.S. This is not an afterthought — pray also for the soul of the rapist. I'm sure you understand.

    • are you aware L'Arche is a Catholic started organization Tom?

      This but one example of what you are striving for with Commons ideology another would be,

      Development And Peace http://www.devp.org/devpme/main-eng.html

      CARITAS INTERNATIONALIS http://www.caritas.org/

      St. Vincent de Paul Society http://www.svdpusa.org/

      and the list goes on...

      I really think you've not thought through your opinions on Catholic Charity and/or you claim of lack of.

      • Hi Kevin,

        I thought through it all. I list Catholic communes. You're missing the whole point of the Christian Commons. The whole Church is to be one Commons. The pope ought to be living equally with all the commoners. He should get his hands literally dirty with earth working the fields and crops with others to raise food for all. I sure want to.

        The RC's have been segregated by RC design though. The clerics and laity are not one. That's not how it is in my Church.

        Blessings,

        Tom

    • Tom,

      you present opinion/fiction not fact.

      Let's stick to fact not fiction.

      Peace of Christ

      • Hello Kevin,

        You're not being helpful. You have your ego tied up in your Roman Catholicism. If your church were better, I'd have joined. It isn't better.

        I have put forth a real liberal plan here, as Isaiah terms it. It fits with Jesus's words. Your church has had more than 1500 years and never said the whole church is to give and share all things in common. Your popes allowed some to do it but refused to allow all to do it. That was wrong among all the other wrong things your church and its popes did.

        So, if you want to remain a Roman Catholic, go ahead. It's not the right choice, but you've been granted the free will to make it. I tried. You won't be able to say you didn't hear it.

        Tom

    • Tom,

      "Your popes allowed some to do it but refused to allow all to do it."

      Your problem is not with papal authority it is with individuals discerning their vocation in life. Your claims of pope(s) preventing or instructing against all of us following the will of God is in error.

      I wonder if you are at all familar with Western mysticism and the development of monastic life by those such as St. Benedict,St. Dominic,St. Francis?

      Many of the Church orders are the fulfillment of what you are claiming as something original under the banner Christian Commons Project.

      I salut you and say good for you Tom in following where Catholic Christians have already laid down the road.

      Tom wrote,

      "That was wrong among all the other wrong things your church and its popes did."

      What was wrong Tom? you haven't actually written anything of papal wrong-doing. To further your own Christian faith you need to spend time in study to make sure your opinions and then accusations are based in truth.

      Finally, please refer to me as a member of the Catholic Church in future, to use titles such as Roman Catholic and RCC is not altogether accurate yet not necessarily dishonest but to be clear, the Church(Catholic) is greater than the Western Latin Church which has adopted the derogatory title "Roman Catholic" first applied to it by the 16th century separatists you may call "reformers"

      Peace of Christ

      • Ha, Kevin Again,

        Your problem is not with papal authority it is with individuals discerning their vocation in life. Your claims of pope(s) preventing or instructing against all of us following the will of God is in error.

        I am absolutely not in error. In the whole of what was Christendom under them, not in the Eastern Orthodox areas, etc., of course, but definitely Western Europe, the Papacy decided who was and was not allowed to live communally. You are flat wrong. Check it out.

        Study the history of Roman Catholic persecution of those with whom the Popes disagreed and over whom those Popes sought to lord it — (lordship over them).

        I wonder if you are at all familar with Western mysticism and the development of monastic life by those such as St. Benedict,St. Dominic,St. Francis?

        Do you even give me credit for having any brains? The post above says, "Order of Saint Benedict, Multiple locations." It's a hyper link. Do you really think that in making the most important case on the whole site that I would point people there without having even been there or considered the orders or their developments and current positions?

        I realize that there has been a huge dumbing-down in recent decades, but try to lift the standard here please.

        How many times have you visited this site and over what period of time? How many comments have you left while not having looked for the answers concerning about that which you have wondered? I don't mean this harshly, but if you're going to engage me in discussion on my level, please search on subjects on this site before just wondering aloud in your comments any longer. You are really passed the point were that approach is appropriate.

        Yes, I'm familiar with the development of the orders you mentioned. I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable person concerning their histories. What I can say in all certainty is that I looked enough to find the reasons for which I rightfully rejected them for not being consistent with Christianity (that is always only what Jesus teaches as stated in the Gospels).

        Look, Kevin, maybe this will help you finally. I didn't start with the Christian Commons and then work backwards. I looked for the answers, which lead me to understand what Jesus wants to see here, and I, of coursed, looked to see with whom I could linkup where it might already be in process. I did not reinvent the wheel.

        Even the Apostles were not doing the Christian Commons in its next evolutionary stage that I've devised in the Holy Spirit. Of course, Jesus was always speaking of the Commons and especially in the highest and widest senses knowable. I did not devise solely for the flesh.

        Many of the Church orders are the fulfillment of what you are claiming as something original under the banner Christian Commons Project.

        This is just another way of saying what you've already said that I've already addressed. I already explained to you that you are missing the point. Look Kevin, there are military Catholic orders. That's allowed under, even commanded by, the Popes. It isn't allowed under Christ. Certain of the Roman Catholic orders were founded on corporal punishment. That too isn't allowed under Christ. I could go on.

        Those orders are in the body called the Roman Catholic Church. They aren't in my Church. Your Church, your Pope, allows and orders garbage, corrupting policies and practices. Your whole tree isn't good. Your church (the whole of it) isn't through the strait gate and isn't on the narrow way. I'm not judging and condemning Benedict or you. I'm extending light to him and to you.

        So, I've explained that Popes forbade the common people from living communally rather than under the violently coercive feudalism promoted and enforced by those Popes, and I've shown the clear difference between my vision and your Popes'. Furthermore, many of your RC orders are simply non-profit capitalist enterprises not dedicated to bringing forth to feed the poor. Which order is the complete fulfillment, and I'll ask you if the members can through out the Bishop without the Pope's okay.

        The Christian Commons is grassroots Christianity. If I go astray, the members don't have to have the Pope's authorization to continue on without me. That's why I don't need your Pope's okay to continue on without him. Get it, grasp it, comprehend, .... anything here?

        Aren't you aware that the Popes were/are feudal lords? Are you ignorant that Cardinals and Bishops were/are feudal lords and war lords (now still by proxy)? I don't believe you were not aware of this. I know you simply attempt to act as if these things are not facts. Your church is known by its fruit historically and right now. I don't like the taste or smell or look or feel or any of it. It doesn't bring forth in due season. It cumbereth the ground — Century after century of obfuscation and indirection. People should not be Roman Catholics. It isn't good enough.

        Look Kevin, just because an RC here or there or a group of RC's is closer to the vision of the Christian Commons than is Exxon, doesn't make the Commons the official policy and practice of the Roman Catholic Church. It isn't the Roman Catholic Church. The RC church is not the Commons. Don't you understand that? It is not what the Jerusalem Apostles and Jesus Christ were living together. Your Popes taught, and still do, private property and private possession and allowed for excess and even lived in it and still do.

        The Commons though is the Real Liberal Christian Church. If you can't appreciate the distinction between the RLCC and the RCC, if it's too subtle for your mind, what can I do about that other then to tell you to work on it?

        I salut you and say good for you Tom in following where Catholic Christians have already laid down the road.

        Kevin, I've used the RC orders as cases in point to show laissez-faire capitalists that they are flat wrong when they say that communism has never worked. This very post makes clear that I've pointed to Roman Catholics to that end. What are you thinking?

        However, Kevin, any Roman Catholic who stands up to say that from now on, everything that is every other Roman Catholic's is now every Roman Catholic's will not be followed by the Pope. Are you able to follow this? Do you dispute it?

        Put it to your church. Write a formal request for religious guidance on the question. Show us here your request and the answer. The answer will not be that the Roman Catholic Church holds with all things common for all of its membership, the whole body (whereas I do).

        You are avoiding the difference between your church and mine. You are trying to spread a complete and operative falsehood here that my Church is unnecessary because yours is already the Christian Commons. No one who reads this site and reads your church's position is going to conclude that the Roman Catholic Church is the Christian Commons. To put forth such an assertion as you have here is dimwitted, frankly.

        Perhaps now you know why none of your clergy has come here and left comments consistent with what you've alleged. They know better. No doubt, many of them and especially those closer to the top would tell you to stop because you're exposing the spiritual weakness in Roman Catholicism.

        Of course, you were sent here by the Holy Spirit for that very reason.

        "That was wrong among all the other wrong things your church and its popes did."

        What was wrong Tom? you haven't actually written anything of papal wrong-doing. To further your own Christian faith you need to spend time in study to make sure your opinions and then accusations are based in truth.

        Before you left this comment, I had already replied to other of your comments on other posts: SOME OF WHY I'M NOT ROMAN CATHOLIC OR PAULINE: PART 6: TO DEBATE TO GET AT AND TO SHOW TRUTH IS CHRISTIAN. Perhaps you didn't see that before posting your comment above. My reply addresses this.

        Regardless, for one who tells me I need to study, it is incredible how little you know. I thought every school boy knows about the Catholic Inquisition? Not only that, but the whole Protestant Reformation began over the issue of deep corruption allowed of the Popes, particularly as pertains to the selling of indulgencies where the rich could simply engage in the most horrifically disgusting and depraved acts and simply pay off the Roman Catholic Popes with unlawful gain to obtain forgiveness. Are you really stating here that you were unaware of such heinous and misleading teachings and crimes of the Popes and their Cardinals and Bishops, etc.?

        Finally, please refer to me as a member of the Catholic Church in future, to use titles such as Roman Catholic and RCC is not altogether accurate yet not necessarily dishonest but to be clear, the Church(Catholic) is greater than the Western Latin Church which has adopted the derogatory title "Roman Catholic" first applied to it by the 16th century separatists you may call "reformers"

        No, I won't do this because I don't want to mislead people into believing the falsehood that your brand is the one and true. It isn't. It's off.

        Now really, Kevin, I can't just sit here answering the questions of someone who needs to go study more on these issues and to do some searching and reading in-depth on this site before asking more questions. You've reached that point. I'll be glad to continue a dialogue with anyone who doesn't think it a bother. If you've come here to defend Roman Catholicism by trying to put it on a level with the Christian Commons, you are engaged in utter futility. It can't be done. Your church would have to be made over from top to bottom. It wouldn't be the same church upon completion. Your church doesn't hold my wine. It isn't capable of doing that as configured.

        I hope you're beginning to learn some things here. I'm not holding my breath though.

        Bless All,

        Tom

        • More in answer to the Roman Catholics:

          The Roman Catholic Church (RCC) has no claim on the Commons: On originating it or proselytizing for it, per se. The RCC has no exclusive claim on Acts, far from it.

          And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (Acts 2:44-45 KJVR) ["men" is not in the original]

          And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. (Acts 4:32 KJVR)

          The Roman Catholic Church has never taught this as being the Christian condition for all those who would call themselves Christian.

          In truth, the RCC stands against the Commons and the Jerusalem, Luke-Acts Apostles in that the RCC is not, and has never been, categorically against capitalism, war, and sexual depravity in mind and deeds across-the-board for all its members (all so-called and self-styled Catholics).

          The Roman Catholics (RC's) allow capitalists, warmongers, homosexuals, and others to enter their church to remain unchanged and not demarcated as heathens in the eyes of Jesus Christ. However, the Real Liberal Christian Church (RLCC) does not mislead, as the Roman Catholics do, or at all. The RLCC allows capitalists (those with faith in the unrighteous mammon), those who kill for money for the secular state, and homosexuals and others sexually harmful to inquire: Ask, seek, and knock; however, the RLCC calls none member but the repentant, committed, changing, and changed. These are hugely significant distinctions between the RLCC and the RCC.

          The doctrines we have in common do not signify in the Highest Heaven. That which separates us signifies. We approach God to become one with God. We do not mislead any into falsely imagining that they may remain capitalists and militarists or homosexuals or anything else that is harmful and depraved and enter and remain in Heaven. We do differentiate between those who work for capitalists from those who are capitalists. We also differentiate between those who are entrepreneurs within the capitalists system who are though truly working to alter and abolish that system. Souls are trapped, but there is escape. We explain on this site about translating the unrighteous mammon into the Christian Commons where money is in the end not needed or wanted but is rather understood to be the unnecessary evil that it always has been. That is something we extend and require of every member of the Christian Church. The Roman Catholics do not.

          The RLCC does forgive brothers and sisters 70 times 7 times, and more.

          Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, "I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven." (Matthew 18:21-22 KJVR)

          The RLCC does though practice the progressive, spiritual, non-corporal-punishment discipline laid down by Jesus for his Church.

          "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear" thee, then "take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell" it "unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 18:15-18 KJVR)

          Therefore, we, the Real Liberal Christians (each word in that name meaning the other words; being synonyms) completely bind capitalism, greed, selfishness, harmfulness, punishment, torture, militarism, violence, coercion, and all forms of sexual depravity on the Earth. We shall bring forth the New Heaven and New Earth conflated as intended by the Christ-mind within us.

          The RCC, however, by means of their confessionals and contrary to Jesus's clear and plain and important teachings, have officially proscribe repetitive prayers and other so-called forms of penance and allow those they call members to continue on in the fashion of capitalists and military killers, etc. without ever facing being designated by the whole body as heathens and not of or in the body the Church. This process has not been conducive to bringing forth the Commons but rather a hindrance.

          "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen" do: "for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." (Matthew 6:7 KJVR)

          There is no way around this, try, as the Roman Catholics will. They have modified their doctrines, but why were they ever out of sync with Jesus's very words (always written in what they have held all along to be canon that is law) if the Roman Catholics have truly had Apostolic Succession? The RLCC points out that that succession broke long ago and the steps that the Roman Catholics have taken have not reestablished the full continuity. To establish continuity would require starting over, a new, with a new wineskin to hold the new wine offered by Jesus Christ (the Real Liberal Christian Church).

          For a more in-depth look at the distinctions and the obfuscations of the Roman Catholic Church concerning these matters, see the comment thread and post series beginning here: "PART 1: TO DEBATE TO GET AT AND TO SHOW TRUTH IS CHRISTIAN."

          Some important distinctions: Roman Catholic monasticism has been for celibates only. Married couples and families with children must remain lay organizations. In the RLCC, there is no such distinction made. The whole of society is to be the Commons: One soul; all Christian; the Priesthood of All Believers; no intermediaries between the people and their God and Christ.

          "At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: For the Father himself loveth you because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God." (John 16:26-27 KJVR)

          There stand no Roman Catholic priests between my God and me. Neither should any stand between my God and you. The Roman Catholics will protest that their doctrine is not such; but, I tell you that I had to remove their doctrines to see God.

          Some Roman Catholics will hold that their priests are not held out to be intermediaries, but that is folly on its face, as they ascribe to their pope the power over the Earth &mdash dominion over the whole worldly and spiritual thing, including over me, which I reject, as they do not speak God's word consistently as I know it and as you will know it too if you read all this with an honest and soft heart required of you by Jesus.

          As with the Roman Catholics, the Real Liberal Christian Church does not hold with the separation of Church and state. The difference between the RLCC and RCC though lies in coercion. The RCC always used violent coercion; hence, it was never Christian. It was always apostate. This is true by definition. The RLCC (the Church) will takeover the world, but it will do it solely by means of each and every heart remaining completely and with great personal and collective desire and not under any duress or any other means brought by any calling itself Church, voluntarily repenting, committing, and atoning during and thereafter to have the true law written more and more in them through and through: One God. The real Church is the kingdom.

          Now, Kevin, who has come here in the name of the Roman Catholic religion and so-called Papal authority, has challenged me to show were the official RCC has taught, and I say demonstrated, evil — where it has forbidden communal living even to the point of burning people to death.

          Whether or not one agrees with all of the doctrines of those burned to death and otherwise tortured, butchered, and murdered, the Roman Catholics had no right under God to do it. They took authority not from God but from the one above who moves souls to sin.

          Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. (John 19:11 KJVR)

          Who falls from Heaven? We are bringing him down now to go into the Lake of Fire.

          And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

          And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

          And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

          And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 19:20;20:10;20:14-15 KJVR)

          The issue here is that the Roman Catholic Church conflated the Church with the temporal, worldly, violently coercive state, and that is abominable. They did this with extreme officialese. Only the woefully ignorant or deceptive or both will contend otherwise.

          Now, what must be understood here is that there was no separation of church and state in the eyes of the Roman Catholics; therefore, all people, no matter their individual views, were to be done with as the church/popes deemed. All people not clergy were lay members of the church, like it or not, in the eyes of the church, since that church claimed dominion over all the earth by force of arms. Therefore, anyone burned at the stake was burned as either a member of the clergy or a layperson. I won't go into the various distinctions concerning friars and nuns, etc., here. It isn't necessary for the purposes of this point. I'm simply differentiating between the common civil citizens and all others. This distinction though is actually impossible with Roman Catholicism, as all are under and within the church or must die (have their lives taken from them where Roman Catholics have the hand that they secretly covet to gain again).

          This is no mere word game here. You either bow to the pope or you're put to death.

          Now, the Catholic Encyclopedia states that "the suppression, at least in theory, of the right to punish, undermined the basis of the Christian State."

          What is meant here is that according to the so-called Catholics, the right of those said Catholics to kill those whom do not agree with the official dogma of that church undermines the Christian State. It does not. That encyclopedia lies.

          "For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save" them. And they went to another village. (Luke 9:56 KJVR)

          Now, Roman Catholic apologists will say that their church doesn't hold with such things anymore. So I ask, when did what was right become wrong? When did their popes go from being infallible in matters of faith to wrong? Are you seeing the wholly illogical (both mundane and spiritual) position here for the Roman Catholics. However, they can point to no such occurrences concerning the words and deeds of Jesus. Consequently, they were and still are astray. It's inherent to their whole system.

          We are to be Christlike, even Christ. Killing people to save is incorrect, period. It was said to be wrong to kill, to take men's lives, by the mouth of Christ as recorded in the Gospels the Roman Catholics claim in their utterly hypocritical teachings. The Roman Catholics have been teaching lies all along. They don't know Christ.

          Upper Italy was, after Southern France, the principal seat of the heresy. Between 1030-1040 an important Catharist community was discovered at the castle of Monteforte near Asti in Piedmont. Some of the members were seized by the Bishop of Asti and a number of noblemen of the neighbourhood, and, on their refusal to retract, were burned. Others, by order of the Archbishop of Milan, Eriberto, were brought to his archiepiscopal city, where he hoped to convert them. They answered his fruitless efforts by attempts to make proselytes ; whereupon the civil magistrates gave them the choice between the Cross and the stake. For the most part, they preferred death to conversion. — Catholic Encyclopedia

          Cathars (Cathari) are in the eye of the beholder. Furthermore, choosing the cross certainly isn't choosing to knuckle under to any pope.

          I remember being told a story about an American Indian chief, possibly an Aztec King who upon being given the same choice posed the following question (I paraphrase): So, let me get this straight, if I agree to convert to your religion, I will go to your heaven where I will be with your kind forever? Whereupon, the "Catholics" told him, "Yes." He said, light the fire.

          As the one the Hindi called the enlightened (the Mahatma), Ghandi reportedly said, "I like your Jesus, but I don't like your Christians."

          Even John Lennon said that Jesus was all right but his disciples weren't.

          You see, some people, by their (Roman Catholics and others) distorted words and deeds, give Christianity a bad name.

          Read about the Albigensian Crusade, which is now very public knowledge. It wasn't when I first read and heard about it.

          [T]he Pope ordered the legates to preach a crusade against the Cathars. Having failed in his effort to peacefully demonstrate the errors of Catharism, the Pope then called a formal crusade, appointing a series of leaders to head the assault. There followed 20 years of war against the Cathars and their allies in the Languedoc: the Albigensian Crusade.

          If you think it was Christian what the so-called Catholics by the direct order of the pope did to those people, you haven't the foggiest notion what Christianity was or is or will be. The pope's call was nothing better than an Islamic fatwah.

          Here's what Jesus wouldn't have done and didn't do to the Cathars: Kill them; take their lives. That is always left to God where Satan is unbounded. Bind Satan within, and such things won't happen. Bind Satan within, and no evil will happen. Jesus would have left them to follow each other into the ditch if the Cathars were wrong. Some Cathars' teachings are not disproved by the words of Jesus though as understood in the mundane or on the spiritual level of the self-styled Catholics themselves if they can rise to grasp even that low-lying fruit.

          Those who preach that war and physical violence and punishment are authorized by Christ follow Satan as their god, even if they don't know it. The Roman Catholics are the heretics. Their actions do constitute a Great Apostasy, even though in saying that, I do not say that I am a Protestant in the sense commonly understood today by that term Protestant. I certainly do though protest against apostasy.

          The "Catholics" like to claim how they are making incremental changes to bring themselves in line with true Christian teaching. Hence they don't burn people at the stake anymore (for a while at least). However, there has always only been the one right teaching that is the words and deeds of Jesus Christ from which the Roman Catholic pope officially diverged time and again.

          Therefore, I do not buy nor will I sell any such thing as an unbroken apostolic succession of the Roman Catholic popes who don't have it right yet and never will for the simple reason that that church's first principles are in error and nothing good can be built upon them that will last.

          Finally as I've written elsewhere on this site, let me point out that if you think that Christ didn't and doesn't become exasperated, you don't know him as well as I do. I don't have endless patients with people who care more about being sappy, false-heartedly friendly than they care about people being bombed. They aren't my true friends. I'm picky that way. So is Jesus. Ask him. No matter how unfriendly the "friendly" ones are though, I won't resort to bombing them or doing any other violent or coercive things to take their fleshly lives. Neither will Jesus. They'll do that to each other though out of the real hardness in their hearts that brings forth such abominations. They get what they do. That's God's standard while God isn't the author of such sins. Figure it out. I have. It's doable.

          Blessings,

          Tom Usher

    • Hi, I was reading through this site. Regarding Christian Commons Project, I was wondering about current status/progress. I could not find any information on actual projects underway/completed. Is there any resource available? Pictures? I was considering donation, but so much on the web these days; I am carefull in looking for results etc. Also, do you have sevices/times of worship/teaching to attend either onsite or online?

      • Hello Scott McQueen,

        Sadly, there are no official members and no one has given even a dime, ever.

        As for being careful, you have to recognize the truth when you hear it.

        Since there aren't members, there are no services, per se. I can't afford Internet real-time interactivity to conduct classes, so to speak. This is ground floor right now. With a proper ordering of priorities, such Internet capabilities wouldn't come until after a number of other things. Right now, funds over and above that which meet very reasonable operating expenses would go into the irrevocable Land and Building Fund (trust).

        I'm not what most people think of as liturgical. I do think Bible study is a great idea. I am a huge believer in discussions. I conflate planning, executing, and worshipping. It's all worship. Of course, I think communal meals are wonderful. Holy Communion is, well, truly Holy. Water baptism is symbolic, but the baptism of fire that comes after it signifies more. Sacraments are not elaborate in my mind. Jesus didn't hold with artificial elaborateness. He wasn't contrived. Contrivances are misleading.

        "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,"  (Matthew 23:5 KJVR)

        "And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these." (Matthew 6:28-29 KJVR)

        These same sentiments apply to all the pomp, pageantry, and opulence of the Roman Catholics and others who put those things before the weightier matters of mercy and justice.

        Frankly, Real Liberal Christian members gaining more members who don't contribute money now would be real progress nevertheless. I'm no Gnostic. We want the little fish and the big fish both for the sake of all. I'm not going to throw the little ones back. I'm not going to devour them either. Together, we're all going to feed them and let them live forever. Do you follow the use of the metaphors? If not, let me know. I'll do my best to explain. I suspect you probably do follow though.

        I do understand the Gnostic point about gaining the big fish. It isn't just about money. It's about flocks following their shepherds. It's about how fish swim in a school and birds fly in formation, etc. The Commons is a collective afterall. The hive-mind though is righteousness and not mere fleshly survival.

        I'm heartened that you even inquired, especially during the economic downturn.

        If this reply discourages you though, it can't be helped.

        There are thousands of pages on this site to overview. This movement is for self-starters. I will though interact via comments (and email and more for anyone or any group that shows seriousness).

        And he saith unto them, "Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men." And they straightway left their nets, and followed him. (Matthew 4:19-20 KJVR)

        They were the first. That's what I've done too. Someone has to be brave enough in wanting the truth to follow it when his or her heart says it's the right thing to do even when the road ahead appears empty. Just look farther down the road. Do what the Holy Spirit tells you.

        Blessings,

        Tom

        P.S. Are you the Scott McQueen of Just A Thought?

    • Yes Tom,
      That is me (Just Me). I am a fairly new Christian. Just a start, I know it is not much, but you have to start somewhere, right? Keep in the Word!

      Scott

      • Hi Scott,

        Absolutely, you have to start somewhere. I read some of your site. I saw that you are very sorry for the kind of person you were and that you are becoming a new person with a much greater understanding of the value of real compassion.

        I would like to offer this to you. Do not be deceived by violence, greed, selfishness, or anything else that causes any harm to the whole being who is God in you. When in doubt, re-read Jesus.

        Blessings to you,

        Tom

    • Hi Tom, I don't know if it is my browser (using Firefox), but donations is not working. It does not get me to the PayPal page. I'll try from IE when I get it working. Take care brother!

      • Hi Scott,

        Thank you for letting me know that you experienced a problem attempting to access the PayPal page.

        In lightening the server load and loading times for the site, I moved the 3 donating options to a secure page.

        You should be seeing the following in the footer (although not inside blockquote borders):

        To Donate Via:

        Credit Cards, etc., please Click Here.

        That link opens a new window or tab for the secure page with the 3 options available. The donate button takes you to the PayPal page with your selected options and terms pre-populated, as they say in computer geek-speak.

        For your convenience, that link should work right from this comment too.

        This all works for me using Firefox and the other major browsers, although I'm checking again just to be sure.

        It's not JavaScript with the exception of the "close window" link on the secure RLCC page.

        I don't know what could be preventing you from accessing, but anything you can add will be greatly appreciated.

        Oh and by the way, thank you for wanting to donate. Together, we will all save up enough to buy back the farm(s) and work it/them to feed all of God's children as it has always supposed to be in the whole family that is humanity.

        God bless you, Scott.

        I love you like a brother because you are a brother.

        Tom

    • Hi Tom,

      It was me, I did not see the "click here". I must be getting old, change always confuses me. God Bless and keep up the good fight!

      • Hey Scott,

        No, it wasn't entirely you. The "click here" wasn't there at the time. It was just a much plainer text-link that apparently was way too easy to overlook.

        Thanks for helping me to improve the site and for everything else, brother!

        I created this site for people such as you, just the way Jesus allegedly said his ministry was for his brother James. That's in Gnostic text, which I take with a block of salt when I'm not completely rejecting whole parts of it. I'm not a Gnostic in the way it was applied as a label to those deemed universally heretical by the Romans (the Empire/Beast). I do believe in intuitive apprehension of spiritual truths though: Gnosis; knowledge. The sentiment about James is valid regardless. We are all Jesus's brothers and sisters if we will. I know you hold with that sentiment. All real followers of Christ do. They go for the truth no matter what.

        Tom

        P.S. This is exciting in the good way! Scott, your comment came through from the PayPal page, "Hi Tom, It was my eyes! I did not see the 'click here'" to the donation chart. It's all working (although it "escapes" quotation marks; puts a backslash before them — no big deal). You are this site's premier beta tester. Thanks.

      • MORE CHANGE, SCOTT:

        To Donate Via Credit Cards, etc.:

        This "Donate" button opens a new, secure window/tab with 3 options. Choose your option. Choose/fill in your terms. Click the option's donate button. Your terms will appear on the secure PayPal site. It's easy.

    • Tom Your doing great job man. Help Christian poor people, I think in this part of the world where everybody is after each another and ruining, fighting for money. Nobody cares for anyone, even they ready to scarifies there values, culture etc..

      I this scenarios by giving the donation button, you are doing great job for humanity.

      • Hey Karel,

        This is you, correct?

        I'm sorry it took so long to reply. I've been working on changing over from a table-based layout to div and css. I have it working on Opera, Firefox, Chrome, and Safari. As usual, Internet Explorer is being extremely fussy. It's too bad so many people use it; otherwise, I'd just enable the work I've done, and not worry about IE. IE has cost me so many hours trying to get things working with it. I find it a pain in the mundane sense. They should change.

        Anyway, as to your comment, thank you for the sentiment. It is very timely, as I've found that more and more my thinking gravitates to how people turn a blind eye to so much that they know full well is sheer evil but are afraid to stand up or want to continue in their own bad behavior.

        We don't have to be perfect before calling each other to rise. Many people quote Jesus as if he meant that each of us must be perfected before saying out loud to each other that we ought to help each other to become perfected.

        God works through us. That seems to be ignored on purpose.

        Well, Karel, I'm glad you found this site. Please visit again and support the Christian Commons Project as you are moved by the Holy Spirit to do so.

        Peace,

        Tom Usher