Hello Again Saijah and Quazi,
The Christian Commons is Acts 4:32, which is Mark 10:21-23, which by extension speaks of all of Jesus's teachings and exemplary life.
The Christian Commons Project is for, among all the rest of the good, transforming hardened hearts from inherently evil selfishness (which necessarily includes capitalism) to the softhearted, giving-and-sharing all, common economy where righteousness and all that flows from it is its reward.
Real Liberal Christian Church is a name. Real, liberal, Christian, and Church each mean the same thing. To be a Christian is to be real, liberal (not vile, not harmful, not disease promoting and spreading), and a member of the Church. One cannot truly be any of the four without being all four. It is the Word. It is God. God is love. God is peace. God is truth. God is harmlessness. God is justice. All these are synonymous.
To encourage me is to support the Christian Commons and the Real Liberal Christian Church. I am what I am. I am what I'm doing. I am what I'm bringing forth. My friends and those who love me will support the Commons and Church. One may not have any money to do that. Those who do, will help financially. It may be a tenth per month. It may be a hundredth. It may be half. It may be all. Also, as of the date of this writing, the Church has no land to bring forth surplus to feed the lambs and sheep at no price. When it does, not every Christian (real soul, liberal soul, Church member) will be on that first bit of land working it right from the start or even before the end of his or her time of going to sleep as one of the just to be resurrected. They will though all be of one heart and one soul, just as the Apostles where of Acts 4:32 and the disciples of Mark 10:21-23. They will evangelize for the cause, for the movement of the Holy Spirit of truth that calls all those of the fold to bring forth as one.
Can they be on opposite sides of the planet? Yes. They will though be one heart and one soul holding all things common. Theirs is mine and mine is theirs says Jesus Christ. "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" Amos 3:3. In the divine, this is not up for debate. It is a rhetorical question. It is an emphatic statement of truth. The Christian Commons is emphatically the narrow way, and few there be that find it.
If one disagrees with Acts 4:32 or the rest of the revelation, one closes oneself off from it in the here and now and in the hereafter. The Christian Commons and the Real Liberal Christian Church are a standard that will be meted out to those who partake of it only. Those who reject it make of themselves of another house, the other house, the divided house that will not stand.
As Jesus made clear, there are not many paths to God. We know Jesus is right about that and about all the things he said. He commanded us to be of one heart and one soul. If we love him we do that. The Apostles loved him and did that together in Jerusalem, per Acts 4:32. Who can doubt it? Who can doubt that that was and remains the Christian way?
If we had been there then, we would have said yes and thrown our lot in with Jesus and his disciples and Apostles. We are here now, and we are throwing our lot in with Jesus and his disciples and Apostles and not looking back. We say that all the things we possess are not our own but the Church's, which Church is its whole membership. We own it all together and remember the poor. It was upon this basis, this understanding, that the Apostles extended the hand of friendship to Paul. "Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do." Galatians 2:10. Had Paul disagreed with the Apostles and their Christian Commons, they would not have extended the hand of friendship to him. That is clear, plain, and indisputable.
The current mainstream churches don't have this as their single vision. No church has brought this forth. This is not the light to them. They don't see it. They ignore Jesus's words, "Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing." Luke 12:43. They have refused all these centuries to share all with each other. They are selfish. They care for the things of this world. Personal, private, special possession remains their motivation. Those churches that do share all internally are not evangelizing or proselytizing. The Real Liberal Christian Church proposes to do both things: Share all with all and evangelize and proselytize. We propose not buying from the capitalists to give to the poor but rather bringing forth out of the Commons. Now, either you love this or you hate it (understood within the context in which Jesus used both those terms "love" and "hate").
You wrote, "We are aware that you did not agree with our position." You had quoted Paul and raised the Protestant interpretations of grace and faith. I expounded upon that stating how Protestants have abused those terms to shirk the obligation to bring forth the Christian Commons. The Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches have also failed to be found so doing. All the nations that have had the word preached in them also now stand judged for their lack of real fruit.
In order for you to help me to answer the further questions you asked, I in turn, asked you to inform me where you disagree, if at all. This was not to be harmful.
Do you take exception to grace, faith, deeds, and fruits being simultaneous requirements? Does the implication that deeds and faith are inextricable disturb you? Have you been indoctrinated into the five solas? Have you been heavily influenced by the scriptural interpretation of those calling themselves conservative Calvinists and Lutherans? Do you stand back from the Christian Commons and Real Liberal Christianity based upon these solas? Are you more concerned about voicing a temporal order of grace, faith, and works than about doing the works that proved Jesus was Christ, per Jesus? God is grace, faith, and works. Which of these did he first, since he is beyond time? This is no stumbling block. God said, "Let there be light."
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Genesis 1:1-3.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:1-5.
And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things. The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him? But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet. And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things. Matthew 21:24-27.
It was within that spirit of Jesus Christ that I asked you as follows:
You wrote, "We will stand by our statements, as I am sure you stand by yours." Please tell us what we have answered you to this point with which you disagree–don't stand by, if anything.
Also, what does Isaiah 32:5 mean to you at this point?
Do you believe in Acts 4:32? Do you believe that this is the way Jesus commands his followers to be? "And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common." Acts 4:32.
If you disagree, why do you? Were those disciples wrong? If you agree, is it the Christian Commons or not? If not, why not? If it is, are you prepared to help?
Of course, they could have said the baptism of John was from Heaven and been right and repented saying to Jesus, you are right we should have believed him and we believe you now. They weren't given to do it. They chose otherwise and are dead. They were dead all along. They didn't come out from heaven. They'd never been there.
Isaiah 32:5 is closed to you at this point. All I can say to you at this point is to take it at face value. It isn't a riddle, hidden, or mysterious.
Don't call the vile (harmful) liberal, and don't call the stingy bountiful or beneficial or a benefactor or the source of wealth or anything of the kind. Set the language straight. All things flow from the word. In the beginning was the word. The word is our emotions. Corrupt the word; corrupt the soul. What comes out of the mouth defiles the man. What you treasure in your heart is what you will speak and bring forth. God felt and feels, hence we are, hence all things are that have true faith. If you treasure giving and sharing all, you will speak it and do it. If it isn't in you, if you don't partake of it making it dwell within you, live within you, if it isn't given to you, you won't speak it and you won't do it and you won't save or be saved, for it is Yah—tautological, but certainly not empty or vacuous. The premises are true. The conclusion is true. It is divine logic.
You have written of the deeds you have done and are doing. The Real Liberal Christian Church agrees with doing these deeds and proposes to the world that it turn to doing these fulltime and exclusively, removing all hypocrisy. The Christian Commons Project, by definition, is for magnifying that light, shining it to displace the darkness in all places on this plane of existence conflating the Commons with the real heaven so each is both new and one as Jesus prophesied.
This is only doing our duty. However, if we do it in full faith, our faith will be increased by our actions. This flies in the face of sola gratia as taught by the Reformed church. We can act to merit more faith.
And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith. And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you. But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. Luke 17:5-10.
This is merit: In faith, going above and beyond the call of mundanely righteous duty. It is the demonstration, the manifestation, of worthiness. Also, as I wrote to you earlier, "Everything is by the grace of God. Every breath, every beat of the heart, every morsel of food, every drop of water is by the grace of God. No one can turn to God without knowing that, because anyone trying won't know which way to turn otherwise. No one can do anything without God."
God's will be done.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
That said, we make the following absolutely clear here:
- The Real Liberal Christian Church and Christian Commons Project not only do not endorse any candidate for any secular office, we say that Christianity forbids voting in such elections.
- Furthermore, when we discuss any public-office holder's position, policy, action or inaction, we definitely are not encouraging anyone to vote for that office holder's position.
- We are not trying to influence secular elections but rather want people to come out from that entire fallen system.
- When we analyze or discuss what is termed "public policy," we do it entirely from a theological standpoint with an eye to educating professing Christians and those to whom we are openly always proselytizing to convert to authentic Christianity.
- It is impossible for us to fully evangelize and proselytize without directly discussing the pros and cons of public policy and the positions of secular-office holders, hence the unconstitutionality of the IRS code on the matter.
- We are not rich and wouldn't be looking for a fight regardless. What we cannot do is compromise our faith (which seeks to harm nobody, quite the contrary).
- We render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We render unto God what is God's.
- When Caesar says to us that unless we shut up about the unrighteousness of Caesar's policies and practices, we will lose the ability of people who donate to us to declare their donations as deductions on their federal and state income-tax returns, we say to Caesar that we cannot shut up while exercising our religion in a very reasonable way.
- We consider the IRS code on this matter as deliberate economic duress (a form of coercion) and a direct attempt by the federal government to censor dissenting, free political and religious speech.
- It's not freedom of religion if they tax it.
And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. (Matthew 17:24-26)