I'm posting my latest comment as a post here too, because there is much in the applicable comment thread that will benefit people if they will consider.

Hello All,

Don't blame Jesus for the lack of peace in the world. He preached and did peace. Don't get confused about the sword (of truth). Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34.) It does divide. Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division. (Luke 12:51.) Those who reject the truth turn to violence. They are not worthy. They are not of the sons of peace. And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house. And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again. (Luke 10:5-6.) It isn't Jesus's fault that people rejected him and continued going to war against each other.

The Jews were warlike at the end of Moses reign and extremely so through Joshua's (different spelling or transliteration of "Jesus"). "[T]hey [the Jews] utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." (Joshua 6:21.) That was the pattern they followed concerning "the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites." (Joshua 3:10; Deuteronomy 7:1.) King David was a man of war too who had blood on his hands and was therefore not allowed to build the first Temple. His son, Solomon, had to do it. They were all a mixture. They weren't the worst men of their times if the historical narrative of The Bible is to be believed. It's a matter of faith. Whom do you trust and why? Jesus though came and taught a different message. That's clear and plain to see.

Jesus warned them that the Romans would come and smash them if they didn't repent. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (Luke 21:24.) They didn't repent, and the Romans came and smashed them. It's the pattern in The Bible. It's a major lesson. It's a teaching theme. Don't repeat the error. Don't go wrong, but if you do, repent and atone. If you don't repent and atone, you bring only greater Hell to Earth. That's what Jesus was imparting among so many other things (infinite).

Jesus was an emotionally connected man. He felt the movement of the Holy Spirit as none had before him or since that I can tell. He knew why people were suffering and were in pain. He knew that it was all on account of evil. He knew that people became selfish, greedy, violent, and depraved. He knew that there were those who were more given to that than were others. He knew that people can't be forced to be good. They must accept the truth that is the absence of violence for that truth to stick. The people are sorted by their own spirits, thoughts, words, and deeds and degree of consistency that follow.

Jesus's warnings were as plain and clear as could be. He cleansed the Temple as a warning.

And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it. And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine. And when even was come, he went out of the city. And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. — Mark 11:13-26

It foreshadowed what happened and why when the Romans came and leveled the placed. The fig tree he cursed was also foreshadowing.

When Jesus fed the five thousand on five loaves and two fishes and had more bread leftover than the five loaves he started with, the five thousand men (along with their woman and children) were able thusly to be fed, because there was little doubt in them about the source who is God. The fig tree though had refused to follow the movement of the Holy Spirit. When Jesus did his other miracles, the elements and other life forms cooperated. They yielded to his righteousness, to his faith, to God. The fig tree refused. It was rebellious. When Jesus came to preach the righteousness of serving each other, the state refused. It was and remains rebellious against what is truly right to do. The fig tree withered and died. The state (the Sanhedrin) was smashed by the Romans. The Romans were likewise later smashed.

Jesus was right. Those of the Sanhedrin who refused to follow the right teaching leading to greater and greater and the greatest of righteousness, were smashed and are dead while Jesus yet lives forever.

Turning to another point in the comment thread:
The Lucifer connotations are difficult for people. The line that divides is fine or not there at all for those who stand too far back. There is Lucifer and then there is Lucifer. There is the real or true bread from God in Heaven. Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. (John 6:32.) There is the common bread we eat for our fleshly lives, and there is the manna that fell from the sky. When one speaks of Lucifer, to which "bringer of light" is that one referring, the fake or the true?

People have set themselves up as the source since the first man who dominated by brute force and connivance. Nimrod is a prime example. He was the king of Shinar, grandson of Ham, great-grandson of Noah. Ham was incestuous and a sodomite toward Noah his father. Noah cursed Canaan (Ham's son and Nimrod's uncle) on account of it. Make the connection with Moses and Joshua exterminating those in the land of Canaan before them.

And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. — Genesis 10:8-10

Also, make the connection with the Tower of Babel. Nimrod started building it to rise higher than the floodwaters of the great flood. He possibly had anti-God, humanist leanings. (Not all humanists are anti-God though.) According to Josephus, Nimrod taught his people that it was through their own efforts that they had anything. This directly contradicts Jesus's teaching and demonstration via Jesus's feeding of the five thousand. This whole building of the Tower is to be remembered when ever technology is considered, also humanism, secularism, and confusion (since the people building the tower couldn't communicate sufficiently to get the job done). It's all part of the concept of cooperation and harmlessness. The concepts all tie together.

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. — Genesis 11:1-9

"...nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." That's the problem today. People are bringing forth whatever they can imagine. If all they were to imagine were Heavenly things (peaceful), it would be fine. However, they are imagining the most horrific things (weapons, diseases, etc.) and bringing forth those wicked things from out of their confused, selfish emotional states.

Jesus though said serve each other. He washed their feet. If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. (John 13:14.) He was last. But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. (Matthew 19:30.) That's not what Satan represents. Satan represents all that is against the direction Jesus preached and did.

There is the Lucifer who came into the world as a tabula rasa. He was a clean slate. Experientially however, he was tempted and he fell. Now, the question is, will he get back? The Lucifer none of us ought to want to be is the one who falls but doesn't turn, repent, and atone. That one is the hardhearted one who falls never to be seen again and whose spirit none of us ought to laud. A prime example given in The Bible is the Pharaoh who argued with and refused to cooperate with Moses. He wouldn't free the Jews. Nebuchadnezzar II is another prime example. He swallowed up many nations by the sword. Isaiah referred to him as "Lucifer, son of the morning!" Isaiah immediately added, "[H]ow art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" (Isaiah 14:12.) That's the King James Version.

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? — Isaiah 14:13-17

The New American Standard Bible (NASB; praised for its textual accuracy) has it as, "O star of the morning, son of the dawn!" It doesn't use the term "Lucifer." Nevertheless, the "star of the morning" is another way of saying "Lucifer" within certain contexts. Lucifer is Venus, the planet that rises before the Sun. It's symbolic. This is figurative language. The Bible is loaded with it. If one doesn't soften one's heart to learn the language, one will forever remain confused about what we are supposed to be doing.

Now, the point Isaiah was making is that there was Nebuchadnezzar, the king of the world at the time, meaning the most powerful king {most powerful head for a little while of the multi-headed beast (worldly Empire), the biggest horn, etc.}. He was all-powerful in the eyes of his subjects who were deceived. It becomes plain to see when Nebuchadnezzar is driven insane and to the lowest state or condition. He was reduced because of his unrighteousness.

On the contrary though, Jesus was reduced on account of his, Jesus's, righteousness; and in fact, Jesus was thusly glorified. That's a difficult thing for most people to grasp (connect). How can being crucified be glorifying? He braved it for all those who would benefit by his message being put to the fore. Think about it.

The prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32) is an example of another Lucifer type. That one left and wasted his inheritance, but he returned humbled and wiser. He saw the light and the error of his ways. He apologized. He was forgiven and accepted back. It was a joyous occasion. He was not the bad one who fell but refused to learn his lesson. Now, the parallels aren't exact. The prodigal son of Jesus's parable wasn't at the level of Pharaoh or Nebuchadnezzar reigning over relatively huge Empires for their day. The situations though are analogous in terms of the spirit and the directions: Falling away and either turning back or continuing in the wrong direction. It's only a matter of degree.

We have people who get themselves all twisted up in knots over The Book of Revelation. They dwell on the number 666, which was 616. They appeal to numerology to prove that Jesus was the bad Lucifer — the one who falls and refuses to return.

Jesus is the real, the true, versus the misleading, selfish one. That's the message.

Revelation speaks against Satan.

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. — Revelation 2:12-17

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (Revelation 2:9.)
But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. (Revelation 2:24.)
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (Revelation 3:9.)
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Revelation 12:9.)
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:2.)
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison. (Revelation 20:7.)

Jesus was very clear, perfectly logical, about Satan. Jesus said a house divided cannot stand. The Pharisees told the people that the reason Jesus was able to cast out demons was because Jesus was Satan (the head of the demons or fallen angels).

Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? — Matthew 12:25-26

Of course, the logic is perfect. He simply carried it out to its logical conclusion. Those Pharisees could not cast out themselves. They could not clean their own hearts of their selfishness. They hated Jesus, because to follow him and if all the people were to follow him, would mean that those Pharisees would lose their self-important station on this fallen plane of existence.

That's all you really need to know about it, but you can dig into the details. It won't hurt you so long as you come up for air and actually help with bringing forth the Christian Commons Project™ forever the sake of the many including your own soul.

God bless,


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