There's a story circulating among some "left-wing" and libertarian sites (mostly libertarian) that is based upon the following:
Jul 20, 2008
The plan is to convert the Internet into a cable-like system, where customers sign up for specific web sites, and then pay to visit sites beyond a cutoff point.
...as is the case with cable television now, if you choose something that is not part of the package, you know what happens. You pay extra.
I took a look and found the comments more than suspicious.
I left a message, and there was reply to which I replied.
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sites] comments are too loaded with comments against this post to not be the result of some paid commentators.
The free net doesn't mean the user isn't charged a flat access fee. The free net here means a level field once the user is logged in.
As for what is being suggested here as being technically impossible, the Chinese definitely control which sites the Chinese people may visit. It is very technically possible.
As for whether or not the capitalist/socialist corporations want to do this or something very similar, all one needs to do is become aware of the exact plan proposed by the Internet backbone providers in the U.S. and the challenge to that plan that has been driven by the grassroots lobbying the U.S. FCC (Federal Communications Commission). The major U.S. Internet backbone providers asked for a tiered system in terms of bandwidth. Stepping to a tiered structure based on type of content would not be difficult.
The analogy with AOL is limited. AOL never blocked surfing outside AOL without paying extra. Yes, people don't want to be walled in. Tell it to the people living in Baghdad. What choice have they had? That is analogous here. If the coercive powers want to do something, how do you propose to stop them short of violence? Well, anticipating their plans and shooting down those plans in the public marketplace of ideas is a method. If that marketplace is closed though, which all the tiered plans do to one degree or another and in one form or another, then the alternative is more silenced, censored, suppressed, and actually non-existent to those not capable of original thought.
I'm not rendering an opinion on whether or not this post is based upon checked facts. I'm addressing the speciousness of many of the comments here so far.
"In the upcoming weeks watch for a report in Time Magazine that will attempt to smooth over the rough edges of a diabolical plot by Bell Canada and Telus, to begin charging per site fees on most Internet sites." If Time doesn't produce this or if such a plan is never floated publicly, then the commentators on this site that attacked the poster will be somewhat vindicated. However, if Time publishes as suggested or if the applicable internet companies do float this plan in public, all of the commentators (many of them untraceable from an honest Internet visitor's perspective) will have to eat their words.
As for Jim Johannsson, TELUS Director Media Relations, corporations and governments have certainly been known to lie and they have certainly been known to lie to their spokespeople. Look at what former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan has had to say about being mislead from the inside.
As for the Net beginning as a walled system and changing from that to a more open, level field, that doesn't account for broadcast TV once being ad driven only so that once upon a time all a party had to do was have a TV set, a pair of rabbit ears, and plug it in and warm it up. Sure, cable has more channels, but it's tiered. Also, the cable companies are constantly lobbying so as to not have to provide any local content.
Furthermore, the fact that the military has its Internet 2 doesn't negate that it can unplug Internet 1.
I'm no Libertarian capitalist, far from it. However, the idea that the socialist-capitalist corporatists aren't a tyranny already is unsupportable. There most certainly is a global plutocracy. Grassroots democracy is constantly being thwarted.
Do you really not know that the last two U.S. presidential elections were stolen? Who doesn't know it? There are people running around denying that it was theft, but everyone knows they know better and are just promoting the Big Lie.
You and your reaction have been subjected to analysis. The results are in the database. The supercomputer network will offer up the next moves. It is an artificial intelligence program that is self-teaching, self-learning. Do I have to provide sources, or do you just know this is the truth? It's true.
God bless everyone with the truth,
"As for what is being suggested here as being technically impossible, the Chinese definitely control which sites the Chinese people may visit. It is very technically possible."
You have obviously never visited China. While many people are restricted, those that know what they are doing get around the technical hurdles with ease. It's possible to get around any system, and if they try this in North America you can bet that there will be a quick and efficient effort to bring it down.
Posted by:What the?
Hello What the?,
You wrote that it's obvious that I've never visited China. Are you really saying that everyone who has been to China concurs with your view? It is not obvious that I've never visited China.
Regardless, you're missing the point here. Just because there are hackers who do actually hack into places does not mean that the U.S. government does not ultimately have the power to control all the packets. They do.
Just because there are Chinese people who managed to get around or through the government's firewalls does not mean that the general population is thereby enabled. They aren't. The same fact applies in the U.S. and Canada.
What we're talking about here is general information for the masses, not just an underground network of hackers who have frankly never been subjected to an all-out cyber attack by the U.S. Pentagon.
Look, information about Main Core has been leaked to Salon.com. Salon is way understating the actual breadth of the system though. It isn't handling eight million Americans. It's handling all Americans and Canadians. What do you think they do with the missing trillions of dollars? That's trillions. There aren't enough mansions in the world to be spending the funds on hedonistic pursuits. They have installations that you haven't the faintest notion about. You don't have to be a mind reader to know that.
There are some 700 "known" U.S. military bases outside the U.S. Now consider those that aren't known by you. Remember the CIA Black Sites that you didn't know about. I was writing that they have secret dungeons when people thought I was crazy to think so. I didn't think so. I knew they had them. I told people that they had people hanging from the walls by their wrists. It wasn't possible though. Americans would never do that. Well they were doing it long before 9/11. All the torture stories came out when the infamous Ronald Reagan was president, only the people have terminal amnesia. They were peeling people alive in Central America. What do you think happened to all those "disappeared"? Have you never heard the real confessions of old soldiers? Don't you know what they did over in Vietnam to the "gooks" as John McCain still calls them? I was also saying that they were lying to go to war against Saddam Hussein.
Are you one of those guys who say 9/11 was exactly the way George W. Bush claims people are to think about it? Who believes George W. Bush? Everybody with an above average I.Q. who says he or she believes George W. Bush is lying for compensation (direct or indirect) or out of fear.
Do you remember when the undersea Internet cable kept being "broken"? That was a demonstration of power. It was also to see and record and analyze the reaction using super computers that make the one that beat Garry Kasparov in chess look like a toy. Can you beat Garry in Chess?
If you think the way to beat them is by claiming you'll do it technologically using their own weapons, you're dreaming. You can't win by sniping from behind cyber rocks and trees when they can see and trace every packet.
The plan has been full-spectrum dominance for a long time. It doesn't mean just the spectrum of the old land, sea, and air. They're talking about the entire electromagnetic spectrum, not just over copper wires and fiber optics but everywhere, including inside your whole body and brain from space and miles deep into the earth. That means nowhere to hide, absolutely nowhere. Have you been keeping abreast of microwave weapons development? Decades ago they were making people hear voices in their heads. The kids from poverty stricken families and orphanages who were literally taken by the federal government for the experiments were called the product of conspiracy nuts. Only the proof leaked out. Now people are just talking about such microwave weapons as if this is a new thing.
They have two generations of weapons out of view.
I'm not saying that the situation is lost or futile. I'm saying that what you're saying misleads people into thinking that speaking out against all the tiered plans now is not necessary. You'll just fire your magic cyber silver bullets at the NSA and finish them all off. When was the last time you went nosing around at the root level at the NSA? Never is the answer, not unless you once worked there with the highest clearance,
Anyway, this kind of reverse psychology stuff is typical of the CIA and DIA. They do it, and others lap it up and regurgitate it for them for free.
It's for national security, and the plutocrats own the nation, they think. I say they think, because God actually owns everything, as the unrepentant of them will one day find out to their sorrow.
More thoughts, more clarifications:
"...the Chinese definitely control which sites the Chinese people [some of them] may visit [without hacking]. It is very technically possible."
The Chinese government is not throwing everything it has at this either. They could certainly just shutdown the Internet in China. They are doing a technological tradeoff in their minds.
"I'm not rendering an opinion on whether or not this post is based upon checked facts." There is no doubt that tiered content is a profit model that the telecoms would like to control. Others, such as Google, fight this. Google and the like don't want the telecoms having that kind of bargaining power. Who will win? Will the grassroots win? Will the huge capitalist/socialist corporatists slug it out with the victor's position benefiting the grassroots whereas the telecoms would make life for the grassroots more difficult? This is not an endorsement of Google here. Remember, Google helped the Chinese Communist Party. Also, the Net was vastly better for searching obscure sites before capitalist-keyword and other capitalist-driven algorithms. It was better to find sites not based upon how many big sites linked to them. Fortunately, little sites linking to each other does manage to trickle up. It's not easy though. Of course, that's the capitalist plan — to make it hard for the competition, including the non-profit, voluntary communist, Christian competition that isn't competitive in the end but cooperative.
"If Time doesn't produce this or if such a plan is never floated publicly, then the commentators on this site that attacked the poster will be somewhat vindicated." "Somewhat" is the operative word here. They will not be completely vindicated. Time could pull the story directly as a consequence of this type of post. The telecoms could postpone their plans until the dust settles and memories fade in the general public or until that general public is simply worn down further by those who seek to gain at the negative expense of that general public.
"...cable has more channels, but it's tiered. Also, the cable companies are constantly lobbying so as to not have to provide any local content." In addition, the channel selection is not very diverse. There are many choices from a narrow worldview made to fit in with consumerism and consumption that the capitalists promote endlessly. Where's the real communist channel? Don't tell me it's not there simply because there's no market for it. It's not there because it's been driven off at the end of bayonets. All communists were lumped together as Marxists. Jesus was bayoneted too with the Stalinists, as if he's one of them in spirit.
"Just because there are Chinese people who managed to get around or through the government's firewalls does not mean that the general population is thereby enabled. They aren't. The same fact applies in the U.S. and Canada." All the common people don't find out about the hacks. Also, the Chinese government infiltrates and adapts too. It is a back and forth, but ultimately, the government can pull the plug.
"What do you think they do with the missing trillions of dollars? That's trillions." If your hackers are so great, why haven't they found the people's money that the neocons, who stole the election, misappropriated and misallocated? You know, it's not mundanely illegal for citizens to investigate crimes against the citizenry. Where are the legislators who have an arm doing undercover, investigative work? The legislature has its executive aspects you know.
None of this would be happening if the people's hearts were all calling each other to rise out of this cesspool that the spirit of greed, violence, and sexual depravity causes.
"I was writing that they have secret dungeons when people thought I was crazy to think so." I was not disseminating it though to the public. It was before my conversion.
"I told people that they had people hanging from the walls by their wrists." The same applies here. Also, I'm not going to drag people into this who don't want to come out and stand in the gap with me. It's not my choice to make for them. Making such choices for others is not Christian.
"Everybody with an above average I.Q. who says he or she believes George W. Bush is lying for compensation (direct or indirect) or out of fear." I'm using the term "everybody" here as a figure of speech. There truly are exceptions that make the rule.
"You can't win by sniping from behind cyber rocks and trees when they can see and trace every packet." That's their plan — to see and trace every packet — Total Information Awareness and not for righteousness' sake.