PART 1: HOMOSEXUALITY, GENETICS, AND OVERCOMING

      

I just posted a long comment on BlogCatalog in response to this article:

US researchers find evidence that homosexuality linked to genetics

Such findings would further the debate over whether homosexuality is innate or a choice

McClatchy newspapers

guardian.co.uk, Monday December 1 2008 18.14 GMT

Here's my comment.

Hello All,

Genetics at conception isn't the end-all-be-all. It's a snapshot that the spirit can still overcome. The spirit is over all matter. Humanity (part of it) is retarding it for a multitude of reasons.

Even if there is a homosexual gene(s), it doesn't mean that it's a good lifestyle. Also, no one has to harm anyone for sexual release. There is no such thing as a homosexual who must have sex. Sex is a choice regardless of genetics. Furthermore, homosexuality is harmful. It's better not to engage in it.

People can stop being greedy. They can stop being violent. They can give up pornography. They stop using tobacco. The list goes on.

Do we say keep drinking a liter of vodka a day, because one is predisposed to alcoholism? I don't say it. I think it's monstrous to say that.

The analogy may not seem apt until one starts talking about the predilection (genetic?) of most homosexuals to also engage in promiscuous and STD-spreading behavior even though they technically know better.

How many cigarettes does it take one to smoke a day before smoking cigarettes becomes harmful? Who finds it genetically more difficult to quit smoking than does the average person? The smoker should still quit. The schools shouldn't be teaching that smoking is fine just because some people are more attracted to smoking from birth than are others.

The statistics bearing out what I've said here are out there for anyone who cares to look. I have some of them on my blog. I raise them since the cited article raised this whole issue based upon what it claims is scientific evidence when in fact it draws many conclusions that are preconceived and arbitrary.

It isn't well-reasoned. It doesn't demonstrate sound logic. What it is, is propaganda the author hopes will have its impact upon people (proselytizing) who will not have engaged in sufficient critical thinking.

Different people are genetically more predisposed than are others to every kind of behavior and addiction. There's no way around that. That's the nature of the flesh, which is weak. There's no way around the fact that nurture plays a large part as well.

Before anyone is tempted to throw the term homophobic, let me say that my views are not irrational. A phobia is an irrational fear. Also, I don't quake in fear around homosexuals. Fear is a word with many connotations. I fear God for instance, but different people will take that to mean different things. Most will not understand the term "fear" in the sense I am using it. It means respect. I do fear for people and society concerning homosexuality, just as I fear greed and violence.

I want to be clear here also about something else. I am adamantly opposed to coercion. No human being should use violence or property destruction or the like either for or against homosexuality.

As for constitutional amendments on the issue, I'm no secularist. I stand outside that system, because it's based upon violent coercion.

You have people on either side of this whole issue clamoring for the power of the secular state to force the other side by threats of violence to do or not to do things. Homosexuals want that state to sanction and condone their behavior. They want that violently enforced. If the state says no one may discriminate here or there on account of homosexuality, most homosexuals want anyone discriminating to be stopped by whatever means necessary. How far do we get in the movement to a more perfect union with that mentality? I say we don't. The perfect union is harmless and unselfish.

I know this was an unusually long comment for BlogCatalog. How else though could I really even begin to cover it? Thank you, and may God bless all.

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  • Tom Usher

    About Tom Usher

    Employment: 2008 - present, website developer and writer. 2015 - present, insurance broker. Education: Arizona State University, Bachelor of Science in Political Science. City University of Seattle, graduate studies in Public Administration. Volunteerism: 2007 - present, president of the Real Liberal Christian Church and Christian Commons Project.
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    • One major stumbling block to the "it's in the genes" viewpoint is simple sexual behavior. Gay men do not act like women sexually. They act like heterosexual men gone wild. They have more partners and more sexual encounters than their straight friends.

      University of Michigan (could be Ohio) did a study a few years ago on this topic. They hoped to support the Gay Gene view and failed miserably.

      Of course their findings are not widely quoted since it would not fit well with the need to justify deviant behavior.

      Blessings

    • Ori

      I agree, very well said.

      I also believe we always have choice whether to follow our heart regardless or to use our head and conscience.

    • @Ori - @Faith and Facts -

      Thank you both for leaving comments in solidarity with seeking to cut through to the real truth.

      People who don't claim Christianity who also say homosexuality should be treated on an equal footing with heterosexuality are one thing. People who do claim Christianity and still say the same thing are just blowing off Jesus's very words.

      It's coming down to this. There is no escaping it. The goats and sheep will be divided along this fault line. I don't mean over just homosexuality. I mean over being as honest as can be about Jesus's words and giving it our all to adhere to his principles. There are just people twisting and making up a new religion calling it Christian. Let them go start another religion because they can't have Christianity that blows off Christ.

      If they don't like it, what's it to Jesus? They aren't of his fold. They can't be. If they are of his fold, then there are no goats and Jesus is the biggest liar who ever existed. I don't believe that for any fraction of a second. These people try to turn Jesus into Satan.

      You two should visit this article: "Ethiopian eununchs and reading the text from the margins" (by Miguel De La Torre. Associated Baptist Press. December 2, 2008) and chime in there too.

      The Cooperative Baptist Fellowship supports them.

      God bless the truth seekers.

      Tom Usher

    • Originally Posted By C. S.In American, UK and other industrially advanced countries, people do rally and ask their right and law for it but till this time non government has supported.

      Hello,

      In America and the U.K., homosexuals are protected by law. If you mean that in general they have not obtained all the sanctioning they seek, that's correct.

      I'm opposed to both homosexuality and coercion. What about you?

      Thanks,

      Peace,

      Tom Usher

    • Homosexual in my opinion is not a natural way of enjoying the sexual pleasures by having an intercourse. It is a bundle of diseases and is very harmful for our society in a number of ways. Everyone should need freedom but not like this which starts harming the other person. In American, UK and other industrially advanced countries, people do rally and ask their right and law for it but till this time non government has supported.

    • Chris [deleted]

      Hi Tom,

      Just this week, I found out that someone who is rather famous within Christian circles, came out of the closet and disclosed that he is a homosexual.

      He even divorced his wife of 33 years so that he could pursue his lust to the full measure!

      It was a shocking discovery to say the least, as I once had great respect for this person whom I believed had a solid relationship with the LORD. That, of course, has changed.

      And to make matters worse, he is trying to say God made him that way.

      To use such a premise to justify homosexuality is to use the same premise to justify all sin. I just don't understand why he can't see this.

      After all, if God made people to be what He doesn't want them to be, then what does that say about God; and what sense is there in being held accountable for our sins?

      Nevertheless, the Bible is very clear on the subject. Only those who are perverse in their manner of thinking will attempt to twist the scriptures so that they may have their cake and eat it too, so to speak.

      And now some are even attempting to change the Bible, to make it look like God supports homosexuality! It's just absolutely repulsive and disgusting behavior to do such a thing to God's Holy Word!

      Indeed, we are living in the last days!

      Please come soon LORD Jesus!

      Blessings to you...
      Chris [deleted]
      [deleted]

    • @Bible Devotions -

      Hey Chris,

      I'm sorry to learn about this fall, but I'm glad you shared it as a warning, an alarm. It's your duty you've done here. You're the watchman sounding the trumpet. The blood won't be on your hands.

      A Song of degrees for Solomon. Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

      (Psalms 127:1 KJV)

      It's not your fault. This society has been built up by men, not God.

      The person of whom you've written here is committing adultery without doubt. That's bad enough isn't it, but he didn't stop there.

      So many people are focused on the wrong things. Look at this one relationship where bonding, loyalty, and promise have been put asunder just so some may abuse themselves with others. Rather than falling to this abuse, we want overcoming. It's what Jesus wants.

      Most people think they're off the hook. They're not the least bit repentant about it or their trying their best to pretend they're just fine with it.

      His marriage vow was not sacred to him. So, what will this one homosexual or bisexual person think when God isn't there for him, when the tormentors get him so he learns, or maybe not, through the pain and suffering he's inflicted, is still inflicting, and only magnifying? We experience our own standard in the end.

      It's not God punishing. Satan does that. It's to learn that God is where cause and effect are compassionate and merciful. Where's the spirit of mercy in homosexuality? Harming others for twisted sexual gratification isn't merciful in any sense.

      Well Chris, this is why Jesus said that few there be that find it (the strait and narrow and New Heaven).

      You're doing your best to tell people to have soft hearts toward each other. As you and I have already been through, if we discuss things openly enough, we finally can see how to understand the different contexts of words.

      We can't though say fornication is okay just because usage dictates. My God (I mean that in no blasphemous sense), if we do that, child sacrifice and cannibalism and pedophilia and frankly stuff we haven't imagined in terms of utter depravity are licensed just because we can. That's the ultimate sociopathic life isn't it?

      I even saw a person in a video several years ago saying that he couldn't wait to get to Heaven where God would introduce him to His hot son, Jesus. The thing is, this young man who said that was serious. He actually has been deluded into imagining that his homosexual lust for Jesus Christ is acceptable even in the Highest.

      How much damage has been done to get to that point?

      Claiming God made people homosexual is making God the author of sin. People are just in denial that we exist in a fallen condition brought about by our choices and our proselytizing (tempting) generation after generation. This isn't Heaven. I hear people say, "It could be worse" though. Yes, it could be, and humanity is heading that way even while many are headed in the opposite direction.

      Chris, Satan sifts souls as wheat, as you well know. This whole life here and now is about that sifting – who doesn't and doesn't fall into that sieve. Our hearts are measured. So many souls who have engaged in homosexual behavior are just refusing to look at the harm they are doing and also are refusing to put the welfare of others before their sexual whatever it is (release; sense of power at getting away with something; now being exhibitionists about it).

      God made humanity before the fall. God made us to learn. We are in this together, but we are capable of being separated.

      Jesus said it right. If one is of God, one knows it and returns. If one is not of God, one stays with the dead root of Satan. Satan is a spiritual Lord. He's the dark side. You and I and others like us want the truth. We are promised that if we keep going for it, it will be given to us but not to those who don't go for it. They stay back with Satan as their god, the god of this old earth. We look forward to the New Earth, one with the New Heaven. Satan is overthrown from his portion he's futilely fighting to maintain.

      What are they doing, writing a blatantly homosexual Bible? Tell me about that. I'm not aware of it although it would fit perfectly with the downward direction in which they are trying to drag humanity. Even King James had the sense not to let all the commoners know he was a sodomite.

      "Please come soon LORD Jesus!" Yes, Chris, but it will be very, very dark before the Dawn of the New World. Amos is right about that. Jesus warns about it. He wanted the coming wrath of Rome to already have been over. Of course we know that Jesus's whole message wasn't just about Rome wiping that one manifestation of the temple away.

      Blessings to you to, friend.

      Tom Usher

    • Chris [deleted]

      @Tom Usher -

      Amen, Tom!

    • @Bible Devotions -

      Hi Chris,

      I want to add that concerning my statement in my previous comment that "Claiming God made people homosexual is making God the author of sin," we must sort the truth.

      The following is true:

      And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, "Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him." (John 9:2-3 KJVR)

      The man was born blind but not on account of his parents' or his sin. Being blind in that way isn't necessarily a sin. It isn't necessarily the result of witting wrong-doing.

      Any analogy between homosexuality and the state of that blind man isn't applicable, because homosexuals know in the sense Jesus used the term "know" in this case.

      Jesus said unto them, "If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. " (John 9:41 KJVR)

      The unrepentant homosexuals see but reject.

      Thanks,

      Tom

    • Overcoming homosexuality is definitely possible for those who wish to abandon homosexuality, and the testimonies of ex-homosexuals attest to this matter. Today people still report overcoming homosexuality and becoming heterosexuals or celibate through their Christian faith. In 1980, a study was published in the American Journal of Psychiatry and eleven men participated in this study. The aforementioned study stated that eleven homosexual men became heterosexuals "without explicit treatment and/or long-term psychotherapy" through their participation in a Pentecostal church.The results of this study are not surprising since Christian faith has shown itself to be effective in combating drug addiction

      • Hello Deepak,

        Your comment has been placed around the Internet, but I'm allowing it even though technically it's comment-spam. Try varying what you're saying from post to post. Otherwise, you're liable to find that your name is mud with the anti-comment-spam services.

        Anyway, God has the power to change anyone. Some people lie about their conversion, but others are not lying. The old cliche, "Once a thief, always a thief," for instance is false. By God, people can break any habit and be healed of anything. It is a matter of faith, both individual and collective.

        Thank you for witnessing here.

        Tom Usher

    • John Duckworth

      I can not believe the level of ignorance written in the comments on this blog. There are a lot of comments related to “how harmful” homosexuality is. Please explain to me exactly who it is my husband and I are harming. We have been in a committed monogamous relationship for 19 years and married for a little over one year. We are two consenting adults who love and care for one another more than anyone associated with the Real Liberal Christian Church could ever imagine much less accept. I also do not understand how you can preach that heterosexual relationships (I’m assuming you are referring to heterosexual marriages) are “by and large not harmful” when more than 50% of all “heterosexual” marriages fail miserably in divorce. Exactly how many innocent children are “not harmed” by these so called “perfect” relationships?

      (note: I didn’t read a single comment explaining why you believe my marriage is harmful or who exactly we’re hurting)

      I’ve also seen a statement, again, not backed up by any facts that suggested that all we (homosexuals) do is have sex with as many partners as possible. I can only imagine from which orifice this assumption was extracted, suffice to say it should probably be returned from where it came. All joking aside, I feel as if it’s my responsibility to educate your members and reiterate something I written in my first paragraph. My husband and I are in a committed monogamous relationship and have been for 19 years. We have never “slept around”. I think it’s also important for your members as well as every other homophobic person who may read this to understand that we love and respect one another the exact same way any loving, caring, heterosexual couple does and to suggest otherwise or to discount our relationship by suggesting otherwise or believing that homosexuality is a choice that can be “cured” by some quack physiatrist who is doing nothing more than pushing his or her own agenda “fits perfectly with the downward direction in which” radical fundamental so-called Christians are trying to drag humanity.

      While we’re pointing out statements that have no purpose other than to incite hatred and drag humanity to a place everyone here seems to believe there’s no possibility their self righteous soul will be spending eternity, I must ask Tom Usher who he thinks is writing a “blatantly homosexual bible” and suggest that if he has any common sense or an ounce of integrity that he rethink that statement and print a retraction as well as an apology.

      Needless to say, I not only did I disagree with any of the hateful remarks written in this thread, I find the ignorance disturbing. There isn’t a single comment I wasn’t offended with and that didn’t judge me personally. (“you people” don’t even know me)

      I realize that I’ve said some things that may infuriate the majority of the bloggers here, and I sincerely hope my comments did not offend anyone or their beliefs because that was not my intention. I would however like to conclude with a couple questions regarding the numerous biblical passages scattered throughout various entries.

      1. Who actually wrote the Bible?

      Men, not God.

      2. Who translated the Bible and reorganized the different styles of writing of what must have been hundreds, possibly thousands of different individuals into the generic translation commonly accepted today?

      3. Does anyone know what’s written in the books the “church” didn’t feel were worthy or appropriate to include?

      Now, how sure is anyone that the Bible as we know it today is 100% accurate and word for word, exactly as God envisioned “His Word”.

      Thanks for reading.

      • Oh, John Duckworth,

        "Homosexuals: What they ignore."

        Please explain to me exactly who it is my husband and I are harming.

        You cannot put a penis up an anus without doing harm. Penises were not meant for anuses. Anuses were not meant for or designed for penises going back and forth in them until ejaculation, especially year after year after year. What kind of artificial measures have you had to take to keep your rear ends from falling out or worse? It is not good for the anus or the penis. To suggest otherwise is a blatant denial of what is obvious on its face.

        You say you are married. I don't give you that. I say you are engaged in fornication at best.

        You define love not as I define love. It is not loving to give way to harmful temptations, and homosexuality is always harmful to one degree or another. That is inescapable. The same thing cannot be said of heterosexual relations on the level you've ascribe to homosexuality. The two are never comparable in the way you've wrongfully attempted here.

        There is a difference between heterosexuality and all heterosexual relationships. There are murderers amongst humanity. That does not condemn the whole. Homosexuality though can never rightly claim harmlessness. It is a filthy thing that has come out from confusion. You are engaged in a filthy habit that you should never have started. Why you started, is for you to tell. What got you both off into confusion? Why are you both not straight and also monogamous?

        Monogamy in homosexuality is no virtue.

        Why do heterosexual marriages often end in divorce? The answer is other forms of confusion that are directly related to selfishness that is at the heart of homosexuality regardless of your view of your relationship. Your relationship and your advocating for it here if it is accepted by youth for instance, becomes and nevertheless is, your selfish advocacy, for you encourage acceptance of the harmfulness, while I don't accept harmfulness including in heterosexual relationships.

        You have called me ignorant, but I am not ignorant of your arguments at all. I have heard them for many decades. You cannot say the same concerning my arguments because many of them are original and even so-far singularly unique with me by way of God, whom you do not accept but against whom you rather rebel, obviously.

        Who called all heterosexual marriages "perfect"? You attempt to defeat a straw man. That never works here. Argue against what I say, not what you attempt to put in my mouth. You show mental error by doing that you know. What other mental errors are you holding forth? Upon what other errors do you construct your sexual house of cards?

        There is no doubt that given the best heterosexual couple as parents versus whomever you would care to put up against them who are homosexuals, the heterosexual parents will turnout the better result in children. In fact, you and your partner in sin against God cannot even produce offspring together by God-given means. Why is that if you were meant to be parents as homosexual couples of groups? Homosexual adoption for instance is insanity.

        I’ve also seen a statement, again, not backed up by any facts that suggested that all we (homosexuals) do is have sex with as many partners as possible.

        It was suggested to you in your imagination, which is obviously yet another problem of yours. You don't look for the facts on the site before spouting off. You assume to put words in my mouth that aren't there and never have been and never will be. You then imagine that I have suggested (unless you're using the comments of someone else against me, as if I wrote the comments) that I have said or "suggested" (a convenient contrived straw man for you — typical) that all homosexuals have multiple partners (not that that isn't common because it is).

        I can only imagine from which orifice this assumption was extracted, suffice to say it should probably be returned from where it came.

        Ah, you with your dirty mind are sickeningly referring to the place you put your penis and your partner puts his — a place the seed for procreation never has any business except for with the mentally ill and self-deluded. You can't even avoid attempting to tempt here. How brazen. How foolish.

        Yes, I don't buy into the change by some of the so-called mental-health professionals who decided one day that homosexuality is not a disease state. It is a disease. You have it. Many, most even, of your fellow homosexuals are trying mightily to spread it too and to spread the multiple-partner variety (so called "right") too while pretending there's nothing wrong with what they are doing either. Their symptoms are just greater than yours, that's all.

        All joking aside,

        I didn't take it as a joke. I'm still not. I have taken it as an instrument of obfuscation.

        Now, since you are here defending your homosexuality on the grounds of your monogamy, then you are renouncing all homosexuality that is not monogamous. Don't those other homosexuals have the same right that you have to engage but with as many partners as they want? Why do you draw the lines where you draw them? On what facts do you base this position that, by the way, is not merely "suggested" by your comment here? It's an inevitable conclusion. Do you stand against them at the polls? It's my understanding that sodomy is now not against law in the U.S. and that adult homosexuals can engage as many adult partners as they want — disgusting!

        Well, I'm not for the secular and coercive state one way or the other. You though, aren't going to win the day with your false position that homosexuality is not inherently harmful. Even the mundane science is going to end up confirming this.

        ...we love and respect one another the exact same way any loving, caring, heterosexual couple does and to suggest otherwise or to discount our relationship by suggesting otherwise or believing that homosexuality is a choice that can be “cured” by some quack physiatrist who is doing nothing more than pushing his or her own agenda “fits perfectly with the downward direction in which” radical fundamental so-called Christians are trying to drag humanity.

        How ignorant that all is. As I already pointed out, you don't define love as not only harmless but purely beneficial. You do not love and respect in exactly the same way as a Real Liberal Christian because Real Liberal Christian's respect God and not anyone who is not completely in sync with God's harmless will and not your harmful deviations.

        As for homosexuality not being a choice, that's the dumbest thing you homosexuals put forth as an argument in favor of homosexuality. Can a murderer stop? Can a thief stop? Can an addict stop viewing pornography and even come to loathe it? Can a heroin addict give up smack, which becomes a physical addiction, just as does nicotine? Can an alcoholic brave the delirium tremens? Can a anyone change at all in your book? You're full of self-licensing, harmful nonsense.

        In addition, you make another wild assumption that you're dealing here with Fundamentalist Christianity, which couldn't be further from the truth. Don't say that you weren't addressing that at me as a Fundamentalist, which I am not and never have been.

        It's just one error after another with you. It is time for you to revisit your first premises to see whether your whole existence is a fraud. Do some soul searching. You do have a soul in your book, don't you? Well, perhaps not.

        While we’re pointing out statements that have no purpose other than to incite hatred and drag humanity to a place everyone here seems to believe there’s no possibility their self righteous soul will be spending eternity,

        "...self righteous...." You haven't a clue. You don't know what you're talking about here. Yes, I hate homosexuality. That's a good thing. It's a righteous position because homosexuality as harmless is a lie. You're in denial of truth. That's not a righteous position. It is you who are self-righteous and self-licensing and misled and misleading. God hates it too. There is no homosexuality in Heaven. There isn't even sex, period. But God doesn't call heterosexuality sin. Jesus didn't consider it sin. It is only sin when it is turned to selfishness.

        "...drag humanity..."? You have the audacity to be talking about dragging humanity downward to Hell while pointing at the RLCC and Christian Commons?

        Who's judging and condemning and even sentencing here? You are.

        The Real Liberal Christian Church is about harmlessness. It is about being as harmless as doves. You aren't there, John. You aren't trying to be not only as harmless as a dove but as beneficial as Jesus, who was anti-homosexual with clear and plain cause. Yet, unlike you, I don't throw you into the proverbial Lake of Fire.

        I don't know where you as an unrepentant homosexual who has been told the truth ends up other than that it won't be where I spend eternity. You aren't going to be closer to God than am I with your current attitude.

        I must ask Tom Usher who he thinks is writing a “blatantly homosexual bible” and suggest that if he has any common sense or an ounce of integrity that he rethink that statement and print a retraction as well as an apology.

        The Bible is for each person how he or she interprets it or receives it or not. The Episcopal Church has an openly homosexual Bishop. I don't need to answer to you about blatantly misinterpreting the Bible as accepting homosexuality. Only an airhead would not know what is going on concerning that. Watch, and you will see what even you won't be able to deny is a complete rewriting in order that homosexuals will have something to point to directly stating and held to be Holy Scripture saying that homosexual "verbatim" is acceptable to God. The theological arguments for that position have already been floated. It is now only a matter of time before the distortion is printed as the Bible itself. Mark my words here. You will eat yours.

        By the way, re-read my comment above. It didn't say what you've said I said. It was a question. You're a dangerous distorter. Your brain is a mess. Get it fixed. Turn to God.

        Needless to say, I not only did I disagree with any of the hateful remarks written in this thread, I find the ignorance disturbing. There isn’t a single comment I wasn’t offended with and that didn’t judge me personally. (“you people” don’t even know me)

        Who are just echoing the same sentiment of other homosexuals who have been here before. It's nothing new, and yes it's personal. Your lifestyle is invading the personal lives of others who don't want your sinning around them or their children. They don't want their children even exposed to the idea of the evil you're doing. If you don't like that, well they don't like what you're doing. Your words are full of hate for them no matter how you try to sugar coat after the fact.
        "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" (Matthew 7:16 KJVR)

        That says he knows you for what you are, for what you do. You're thorns and thistles, not what brings forth fit fruit. He says to you, change. Make your whole tree good.

        I sincerely hope my comments did not offend anyone or their beliefs because that was not my intention.

        Well, it's obvious that you don't know what you're doing on a certain level. You are an offense to God. No Christian can say otherwise and be Christian. If you don't like being an offense to God, then stop.

        1. Who actually wrote the Bible?
        Men, not God.

        2. Who translated the Bible and reorganized the different styles of writing of what must have been hundreds, possibly thousands of different individuals into the generic translation commonly accepted today?

        3. Does anyone know what’s written in the books the “church” didn’t feel were worthy or appropriate to include?

        Now, how sure is anyone that the Bible as we know it today is 100% accurate and word for word, exactly as God envisioned “His Word”.

        You're in way over your head here.

        The words of Jesus came from God. If you don't believe that, and I know you don't, why attempt to support homosexuality on such grounds?

        If there had never been a Bible, homosexuality would still always be harmful. That's the truth, and God is the truth.

        You've not helped yourself or your cause here. You've further exposed your utter nonsense is all. You are completely wrong. If you don't repent, you will regret it.

        That's not a hateful threat. That's a warning. If my closest fleshly relative were a homosexual, I'd say exactly the same thing to him. If he continued on to the death of his flesh as a homosexual, I would not see him near God until after he had paid the last penny to Satan. It would not be my fault where God would put it to me, "Why didn't you tell him what would have saved him had he listened."

        Now, repent before it becomes too late in this age for you.

        Real peace

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      • If you can't see even on the purely mundane, secular level, the ridiculousness in the current "liberal" (fake liberal) position regarding homosexuality, you're never going to begin to understand why homosexuality is totally unchristian. "GENDER CONFUSION, CONFUSION," by Coach Dave Daubenmire. June 18, 2009.

        This is not an endorsement of all things Coach Dave Daubenmire; but I suspect he wants the whole truth from God more than do the vast majority of self-styled liberals. I suspect he'd grasp my use of the term liberal, as Isaiah started using it to bring it back to sanity and then how Jesus actually lived it right along with real conservatism at the same time. A real liberal wants to conserve the real within, and God is the real — the only real, as in not false-hearted but rather completely trustworthy. That's not confused or confusing to the softhearted, as was and remains Jesus Christ, my brother whom I will never renounce.

      • Hi John,

        I was visiting your sites yesterday, in fact. You have quite the automated process now. I couldn't read all those links in one day I suppose, but I know you're not suggesting that you do.

        About Uganda, as you know, I'm not coercive. I'm also adamantly opposed to the death penalty, naturally; otherwise, I'd be wholly inconsistent with regards to anti-coercion. That said, not all of Uganda's concerns are illegitimate.

        Peace

      • Oh, I didn't look at more than the one page on the linked site. I hope the site isn't inappropriate to be linked to from a Christian site. I don't want to promote people falling. It would be unlike you (historically with me at least) to not take that into consideration, so I'm relying upon your judgment here. People have to be able to deal with the issue, but I don't want my readers subjected to nothing left to the imagination or lack thereof (often preferably).

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