UPDATE: February 10, 2009: 8:12 AM:
Endangered Spaces blog (one of my favorites for environmental news) did a timely post on the issue of methane entitled, "Permafrost meltdown means more methane" (February 10, 2009) with a link to a National Wildlife Federation article that I recommend you visit and read: " " by Susan Q. Stranahan (Feb/Mar 2009, vol. 47 no. 2).
Climate scientists fear that massive levels of a greenhouse gas with 20 times the heat-trapping power of carbon dioxide could be released into the atmosphere from the thawing Arctic Ocean.
There's a post over on OpEdNews entitled, "Global Cooling and the Madness of Davos," by Patrick St James, on which I posted the following 2 comments (so far). If you find these interesting, go read the whole of Patrick's article and the other comments there. It's what one might call "cutting edge" right now.
The economic downturn slowed the increase burning. The recession started in 2007. Driving was dramatically reduced during parts of 2008 when gas was at its highest price. People and businesses are now driving and transporting more than then (last year) but still far less than 2006 rates. The Antarctic ice is still melting and breaking despite some earlier libertarian propaganda from Exxon to the contrary. The Arctic ice also did not increase but continued receding more during the summer. The chemtrails and freshwater runoff are impacting. It all adds up. It is a terrible mistake to take things in isolation. Of course the Sun changes. Of course those changes impact the whether [meant weather] here. One volcano can have a larger impact. Many things can. Melting the peat bogs in Russia can. Melting the methane in the oceans can. Why act as if human activity though is all but irrelevant? Were [meant We're] killing the planet in many ways. Global warming is just one aspect, but we need to handle every aspect. By the way, not everyone who wants clean, alternative energy is for Cap & Trade. I'm not. It's lame. I'm not saying you, Patrick, said they are; but it's worth stating here nevertheless.
by Tom Usher
I'm sorry about the spelling errors in my earlier comment: "whether" for "weather" and "were" for "we're," etc. I was actually up all night on account of someone who will remain nameless here.
First, a shill hardly has to be paid in mammon to be a shill. I realize it isn't fashionable to think so, but shill's can be nearly unwitting. I don't say I profess to know you are a witting pawn of Exxon. You do though tout their line. Others, such as Glenn Beck, get huge monetary compensation from the global-overlord system. You can bet that General Electric is not one of his sponsors.
As for the issue of whether or not human-induced CO2 is not a factor in global warming or "climate change" (that was Frank Luntz's – the Republican word smith – contribution and not the "liberals"), the only source you, Patrick, have cited is the Bush administration's U.S. Department of Energy.
You recall that Dick Cheney and George W. Bush and many others in Bush-43's administration were oilmen and women. You recall that Dick Cheney had the top oil executives (exclusively) work with him in formulating the U.S. energy policy (and therefore the Bush foreign policy with the Pentagon suppliers – Halliburton – and paramilitary contractors also very largely in mind). The minutes of the meetings remain secret to this day if I'm not mistaken. You remember that the Middle East's oil was the central imperial "prize," as Dick Cheney termed it, that was the reason the U.S. went into Iraq financially to colonize it under U.S. oil corporation exclusives (exclusive contracts) and that the rest of the story has been proven to have been completely concocted (WMD's, etc.).
Why then do you automatically believe what has been called the anti-science Bush administration when it comes to what is supposed to be scientific data? Are the 3% and 9% figures really correct? What do other scientists say about those numbers? I haven't specifically looked, but I'd be shocked if those numbers are the general consensus, not that the general consensus is always right, far from it. However, you're standing on the one leg of the Department of Energy that developed those figures under an oil-industry's Presidential administration, lock, stock, and barrel. Doesn't it give you pause?
How much CO2 does it take to tip the balance? That's important. How unstable do things get how quickly? Exxon appears willing to gamble to win now and lose later just as the Wall Street investment bankers (now quickly and conveniently regulated banks, to game the FDIC) have shown they were willing to do in their huge sector. The greed motive, the inherent error, doesn't disappear just because one moves from considering one industry to another. Greed is greed. Are the people at Exxon somehow less greedy than are the people at Goldman Sachs? No, they aren't. They aren't less selfish or shortsighted.
To be clear, I'm not in full agreement with Al Gore. I don't though think it's all about money with him. I don't though hold with Exxon-funded junk science and obvious false propaganda at all. It is all about money with them. It is about getting theirs now while they're still alive (mundanely so) to get it and posterity be damned. Let the next generations worry about it. It's not the living's problem.
I'm glad to hear that you are an environmentalist for a carbon-neutral world. I also agree with you that the world has been hotter. The issue though is with the rapidity of change and how it will impact humanity. A more stable climate is easier on the people. I trust you agree.
Also, is this "colder phase" a trend or a blip? Is it the result of secret but visible technology, such as chemtrails, that may be (no doubt are in my book) the harbinger of more environmental degradation that later on, the enthusiast will claim (the chemtrails) held unforeseeable, unintended, negative consequences (externalities) – that could have, however, easily been avoided had the whole thing not been done in secret in the first place. There's no money in being open, honest, and direct though, right?
CO2 is not a poisonous gas in all cases. However, if you are put in a room of nothing but CO2, you'll die if you remain there with only CO2 to breathe. Al Gore isn't claiming that CO2 is a poisonous gas in all settings. Let's be careful to avoid wording that may easily be construed as a blatant attempt to imply that he is and to twist weak minds such as those of the constant Fox News watchers and adherents.
Libertarian propaganda is no contradiction in terms if one is speaking about the Libertarianism of say the Austrian School of economics. To be clear here, I don't hold that what they call liberty is real freedom. I'm a Christian, not a capitalist.
Also, Al Gore doesn't own the debate on the side of those who are opposed to unbridled CO2 emissions.
Finally, where would you draw the line, Patrick, since the 3% and 9% figures don't seem to cause you any concerns whatsoever? Maybe you could clarify. Are you just against the Cap & Trade scheme, or are you against all regulations? How do you achieve carbon neutrality?
I'm for a non-coercive system, but I'm for going all the way to Christian communism. Libertarianism as the term is generally used right now (a misnomer) is not prepared to go there. That Libertarianism (false-hearted) will never make it. It won't last.
Bless you, Patrick.
If you don't know about chemtrails, Google it. Also Google "global dimming." I've written about both before on this site. You can do a site search here on both.
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