This is my reply to one Robert Crowny, who submitted his last comment on this site on 2009/03/29 at 11:15pm:
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I don't look in the dump every day. I'm not rescuing your comment because it is worthy. It is not worthy. I "approve" on the WordPress, mundane level simply so others may see to learn to discern twisting such as yours — to sort your lies from the real truth.
Look Robert, I'm not favorably impressed with you. You haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about. Nor do you take the time to find out. You don't know that for which this site stands. You haven't bothered to find out before judging, condemning, sentencing, and wanting to punish in your willful ignorance.
You haven't even read about the Christian Commons, yet you damn it. Jesus says not to rebuke your brother without cause. Robert, you have no cause. Jesus says you are at risk of Hell fire for doing exactly what you've done here.
You use the mundanely illogical (lack of) reasoning that I must be a "wacko" because some others have said so. You find comfort in the numbers who side with Satan. I don't agree with you, so I'm insane (not truly knowing right from wrong). That's exactly what I think about you, only I don't need anyone on my side but God. I don't fear standing in the gap alone. I'm not as you are. I have cause. I show it. It's written here.
You're in a popularity contest where your ilk judge. They don't signify with me.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art a stumbling-block unto me: for thou mindest not the things of God, but the things of men. (Matthew 16:23 ASV)
That's about you, Satan-Robert. You care what others have said about me and put stock in their obfuscation, distortion, and conveniently less than full context.
You're a dupe, Robert.
You did a little research on this Church. Yes, a little knowledge is definitely a dangerous thing. You've done a little research on Christianity too — very little, you and the people you're citing who stand off in the dark or who can never answer a straight question with a straight answer. By the way, Robert, there are people who agree with this site. If the fact that there are those who disagree matters, then it likewise matters that there are those who agree. There are two sides to your ledger then. Too bad for you that you're stuck with that unless you repent of what you've said here.
People are supposed to be intimidated that there are some others who disagree with the Christian Commons Project. Is that what you think? Anyone who agrees with it isn't going to be such a shrinking coward. They'll stand up to all of those you represent, who are what? Are they warmongers? Are they greedy and out for self first and foremost and exactly diametrically opposed to Jesus's teaching and exemplary life? Are they homosexuals and others who scream to be accepted in their fornication that Jesus clearly called sin? They are certainly a mix of these.
People thought Jesus was wacko and worse for exactly the same reasons you come trolling around here doing exactly what you claim to stand against — judging others. Have you not judged me? Yes, you have. However, I have judged no one in any sense contrary to what Jesus said and did. Show anyone otherwise. Substantiate your allegations against me.
Your "church" claims to align with "small c communism". Interesting that the same term was used, and made fairly recent news, by Bill Ayers... A terrorist.
What a lame attempt, Robert. Is that interesting to you? Do you draw some parallels from that? You insult people's intelligence.
Bill Ayers has nothing to do with Christianity. He has nothing to do with the Christian Commons that you feared to read. I've written about Bill Ayers on this site. Did you bother to check first? No, of course you didn't. You're not smart enough for that even though you think you're being clever.
Bill Ayers is an Anarchist. He's for free love. He advocates for homosexuality. Do you? He's closer to you than he is to me. He advocates that there is a place for violence and property destruction and violent self-defense. I advocate against all those things. Get your head together, will you? He doesn't know what real communism is, just as you don't.
If you would like to educate yourself, I encourage you to read some books, Animal Farm might be a good one to start out on.
This is coming from the one who called me arrogant. I read "Animal Farm" before you were born, son, unless you've returned to college at a very late age.
Let me explain something to you, Tom. If you and I had a class together, e.g. a college or high school philosophy class for the sake of argument, and I studied very hard for my test, while you slacked off. In most classes, I would get an A, and you would probably fail. Now, if the teacher decided to average our grades, so we both got a C, you would be really happy. Yet the next time, if I knew that my hard work was going to be averaged with your slacker grade, I would not study: thus, the entire class average is brought down. That is why communism (and socialist economies in general) does not work: no motivation.
Now, listen up Robert. This is a worn out, ignorant argument I've seen many times before. You see, I know about your philosophy whereas you know nothing of mine.
First of all, Jesus doesn't need the selfish motivation you do and neither do I. He doesn't call to you and neither do I. You don't hear him, and you don't hear me.
I wouldn't be happy with the C. You see, you're wrong. Also, you don't understand that you are the slacker pulling the average down, yet that hasn't stop me from calling to people to do righteousness despite your refusing to help.
You are the reason the major miracles are not happening this very moment. You are one of those adding to the huge lack of faith in the world, which lack ruins everything and why I will be separated from the likes of you.
So apparently, by your definition of merciless, you Tom are merciless. You do not give an appropriate solution to people needing aid, but rather your solution is to make us all poorer?
This is exactly what's wrong with you. You didn't read the main aspect of this site, yet you claim I don't offer exactly what I offer. Robert, go away, or as Jesus said, Get thee behind me, Satan. Condemning me for not offering the solution when I clearly offer the solution makes you an idiot. Stop being idiotic.
Capitalism may not be the perfect solution, and you did say one thing reasonably intelligent: money is evil. Of course, all Christians should know this. But what are we supposed to do? There is no better system. [emphasis added]
Wow! Wrong, young man — terrible theology — devoid of Christ
You characterize that as "reasonably intelligent." No, Robert, it's knot relative. It's absolutely intelligent. There is no qualifier to it. It is intelligent, period. Now, let's see why you can't get that even though you piddle out the tiniest bit of light (albeit confused under your personal philosophy that is rife with inconsistencies so much so that your light is darkness.)
There is definitely a better system — the one and only right system; the best system: The political economy of Jesus Christ that the original Apostles were persecuted for practicing. Do you know who the Hutterites are? They are surrounded by the capitalistic system and raise money that they would not otherwise need except for coercive taxes required from the outside on pain of imprisonment (persecution). Do you know how many Hutterites there are and why there are not more? Admit it that you don't.
Also, you completely ignore the Scandinavian democratic-socialist systems that far exceed the U.S. on many levels in terms of quality of life. The U.S. has been dropping like a stone. It only got worse under Ronald Reagan and thereafter. I was an adult during Ronald Reagan's regime. I remember firsthand the evils he did and then the terrible lying job he acted out to the world attempting to excuse himself. Where were you? What do you remember? You don't know what fascism is.
We need no medium of exchange between brothers and sisters that we are all to be and someday will be in the New Earth where you won't ever be if you keep up your charade. Tell that to your graduate-school professors. All the doctorates in the world won't help the misguided.
You're a shill for the plutocrats who is not rightly educated but rather a product of the indoctrination of the Satanic system that is capitalism. Wake up! You facilitate banksters — the same spirit Jesus cleaned from the temple as a sign to you but that you ignore because you can't stand the thought of the implications for your myopic, weak, flesh-led lifestyle.
I encourage you to try to live without any money for even a year, let alone your lifetime.
That's exactly where I'm headed, Robert, if you would bother looking into it. Do you think the New Heaven that is coming to the New Earth is going to be capitalistic? If you do, you are flying in the face of the little knowledge to which you've admitted that money is an inherently evil device — the only comment from you so far that indicates that you may have redeeming qualities. The question is just how much root you'll accept and the degree to which you'll prove fertile ground. You've been exposed to the word but laud mammon even while condemning it. What a mess!
At whose knees are you learning? Godless capitalist is the answer. What are you, a member of Glenn Beck's 912 Project? If you are, you need to be told that that garbage won't get you anywhere near God.
Capitalism is the best system for an economy, it has been proven time and time again.
That's absolute rubbish. You're brainwashed. Capitalism is the spirit of unrighteous mammon. Why don't you know that and then stand for the other system that Jesus teaches? What's wrong with your heart? Do the requisite soul searching.
It hasn't been proven time and again or ever except in the false propaganda you've purchased and are spreading. If it were best, as a professed Christian, don't you think Jesus would have preached it as the best way? He didn't. Why not? It stinks is why not.
You reference the "New Deal" as an example. This is a completely erroneous and off topic situation. We are talking about right now, and what has worked and not worked RECENTLY. The economy is much different then in the 20's and 30's, and the situation is completely different. Please research before you talk.
I don't hold with New Deal politics as the ultimate solution. I simply point out that those who claim it didn't work and can't work now (if done correctly — mundanely so) are lying for effect. They don't want it to work. They don't want it to work because it would disprove their self-centered ideology. Don't you see that? I know you do but won't admit it.
You were more than implying that government (collective, public) spending doesn't do any good for the economy.
...crap spending by the government, which clearly hasn't done anything for the economy in the past....
That's how you put it.
I provide the statistics that show otherwise. You now claim that that's not fair because now is different. However, you said it "hasn't done anything for the economy in the past." That's what I was addressing, and there's no twisting you can do to change that.
A liar needs a long memory.
Either way, you're wrong (caught in your own twisted talk the more you open your mouth). That's because it's coming out from your heart, and your heart is not with the message of Jesus. You don't have the word, the spirit, written on your heart. That's a fact, Robert. Deal with it. Turn, repent, and atone.
As for the beer thing, it's a terrible analogy. I've seen it before a number of times. It is not how the Christian Commons works at all.
Don't you have anything original to say, or is all you do is spew libertarian, laissez-faire, Satanic dung you've been fed and swallowed uncritically, never bothering to look at how it doesn't jibe with Jesus's teachings at all? It's un-Christian. You are antichrist.
If you're just going to trot out the same old garbage that's been tried on this site before many times, you're going to be embarrassed right along with all the other arrogant know-nothing, minions and sycophants who formulated the junk you try to dump here. It doesn't stick here, Robert. Your side loses. It's already lost. The top of your group knows better than to come here trying out their old rubbish. They leave it to their minions to test for weaknesses. They treat you as canon fodder. However, turning to my way saves. That's because it's Jesus's way. I follow him.
What you're doing is setting up a straw man, not that I agree that the beer analogy even fairly represents coercive socialism. You haven't argued against the Christian Commons because you don't even know what it is. With the condition of your heart, you'd read it with hardness and bitterness and deliberately to twist and to continue arguing against what it is not. It has nothing to do with Marxism for instance. It has everything to do with early Acts:
And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (Acts 2:44-45)
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. (Acts 4:32)
Get it? That's the beginning of returning to communism as a continuation of how they lived with my brother, Jesus. The Christian Commons goes further, but it remains completely consistent with those acts.
Tom, your heart is no where near God.
You are using God as a political platform. God knows this.
Of course God knows it. God is God's politics. It's too bad for you that you don't know God's politics.
I can quote Bible verses too....
You can't do it in anyway that refutes the Commons. Try it. Satan can quote scripture. You're doing it, out of context — proving only that you are of the synagogue of Satan. Change. I offer that to you. Are you able to do it?
Except when I say them they aren't an immediate cover for your obvious lies.
What lies? Where has scripture covered any lie? Where has my use of scripture been taken out of context or used in any method in support of any lie? You haven't shown a thing here other than your wicked intentions. You came here to tear down Jesus's message that you hate as shown by your support of Jesus's enemies and murderers. You support mammon over God. Your spirit is death.
You are one reckless soul, Robert. You are dangerous to the unsuspecting, the naive, the gullible, those who fall to the serpent's tricks.
You haven't shown me to have lied about anything. All you've done is bear false witness. All you've done is exactly what the evil ones did to Jesus in the Sanhedrin kangaroo court.
Your site does not spread love
You can't define love. You don't know what it is. Was Jesus loving them when he called them serpents? Answer please, yes or no. Qualify all you want after answering.
You complain that I preach hate. Jesus said that anyone who doesn't hate himself in this world and who doesn't hate this world is unworthy. What's that make you? I hate the worldly system. I hate being surrounded by it. You though say it's the best. You preach antichrist crap! You work for the devil, by Christian definition. You are lost and maybe won't be found because perhaps you've been with Satan from the beginning. We shall see.
...nor is it fruitful.
You wish that were so, but you won't get your wish. Your prayer is that my message will not be heard that selfishness that is capitalism is wrong. Your prayer will not be supported. You pray for evil.
I am not the first person you argued, called evil, and told them they are going to hell.
You are saying that I am wrong to say evil is evil. You called money evil. Did the system of money that is evil come out from righteous hearts? Take care for once before you answer. Answer directly. If it did not, then it came out from wicked hearts. Are we then to continue in that system or are we to put the new wine into new wineskins? A fourth-grader unabused will answer that the evil system is to be replaced with the righteous system. Are you as wise as such a fourth-grader now that you are in graduate school or has your education dumbed you down?
"Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each mans praise will come to him from God." (1 Corinthians 4: 5)
You quote Paul, not Jesus. If you follow Paul rather than Jesus (and you cannot follow both anymore than you can love God and mammon), you follow hypocrisy.
Furthermore, if Jesus and God dwell within, then Jesus is come already for me and the Holy Spirit tells me what to say to the likes of you exposing your selfish motives, which I have done here and now. If you don't like this, then change.
I am not a disciple of Paul. Paul was misled by his own mind. I am not Pauline. Being Pauline is error. Paulism has led to bad fruit. It has confused people into war making. Paul is used to excuse capital punishment within Paul's own context. He was careless.
Tom, you are judging. You believe you are correct, and that any one else is going to hell. You are sadly, sadly mistaken. Do not judge lest you be judged.
Here you are judging me as outrageously stupid, retarded, possibly suffering from Down's syndrome unless simply a psychopath. So, Robert, you will be judged under your own standard. Anyplace where your system falls down into hypocrisy will keep you from rising. Now, am I being helpful in informing you of that? Do I seek to punish you? Am I the one who casts you into the Lake of Fire? Besides, I teach that there are many mansions. You will receive only the stripes you deserve that you bring upon yourself for putting capitalism above Christianity, which you've most certainly done right here. You've testified against yourself right here. I though say you can repent of it and be completely forgiven. That's the spirit of love and mercy that you claim I lack.
Your "church", your "website", and you remind me of other "churches" like the Westboro Baptist Church.
That group doesn't hold with me. I don't stand with them. They know I'm here. They haven't come to join in bringing forth the Christian Commons. They could not read about that for which I stand and then join. They'd have to stop what they're doing.
You aren't good at making connections, Robert. You think with the lesser evolved portions of your brain matter. You need to think about being less selfish. You need to have faith in God rather than mammon.
If this site reminds you of Westboro Baptist Church, it's because you're shallow and a terrible judge of tenets. You can't sort the sheep from the goats to save your soul.
I've written about Westboro Baptist Church, but again, you didn't bother to check that out did you? No of course you didn't — just nosed around elsewhere to see what others are saying and then only focused on the negative. That you, Satan. That's what you do.
You are not spreading God's word to anyone, Tom. What kind of "church" is that? You spread hate, and your political ignorance than you try to weave in to the message of the Lord is disgusting. Please do not disgrace MY Lord with your hatred and false preaching.
Your lord is Satan. Your lord is mammon. You've said it right here. Your lord is not my Lord or LORD.
I don't hold with that system. I seek to translate mammon into a capital-less/mammonless/moneyless system, as it is in Heaven. You don't do that though. You rather preach that mammon is both evil and the best system at the same time.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20 KJVR)
Isaiah wrote about you there, Robert. Now, that's a demonstration of the proper use of context for you. Only you put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter at the same time about the same things. What a mess, what confusion it is in your head and heart!
Now, are you an idiot and a false and doomed prophet?
"We must not look to government to solve our problems. Government is the problem." -Ronald Reagan Why do you think that these men, should have more of a say in what I do for work, how much I get paid, etc. then I do?
Ronald Reagan was dead of the spirit. He was a warmonger. He authorized and funded death squads. You come here quoting him in support of the mammon worship you share with his dead soul. Again, Get thee behind me, Satan.
Furthermore, where have I said anyone should have more of a say than do you in what you do for work and how much you pay yourself? If you'd spend more time becoming educated about what is on this site as opposed to what you imagine for your convenience because you can't handle what is really here, you'd know that I stand opposed to coercive government, including stupid, libertarian, violent Clubs for Protection and such.
Now, as an educated individual, I refuse to argue with you any more because I know that you will never change your mind. You are wrong, and you know it. Deep down you know that, while you may be a Christian, Jesus would not be happy with your actions. I am not saying I am perfect, for I am no where near perfect, but you know your teaching needs to be mended.
You presume to speak the revelation of Jesus Christ while you are here on this site spewing mammon as the best system. Woe! to you hypocrite, and I mean it in the same way Jesus uses those terms.
And I tell you again, I can perfectly well dislike this site, this "church", its creator, and the idea of the "Christian Commons" (which I actually did not read as I assume it is loaded with liberal crap), and still love Jesus.
You don't signify in Heaven. You do not love Jesus or God. Your name can't be written in the Book of Life if you hold your present course.
The funny thing is, as a grad student at a highly respected institution, I will make a lot of money off the system you hate so much, and actually be able to help the poor so much more than you can with your liberal ideas. Liberal ideas that would make us all poor, rather than most of us well off, and being able to give a helping hand to those who are not.
You twist the words of the Bible, and you know this. Have a great life, and enjoy this scam of a website while it lasts!
You are a liar who condemns without even looking for exonerating evidence in my writings that you refused to read even while spending time searching for mere hearsay that has come out from other lying spirits. You have presented no evidence here, not even for the merest suspicion. How wicked that is. Is it any wonder that the huge liar, murderer, and torture authorizer, George W. Bush, was loved and excused (unrepentant) by those who call themselves what you call yourself: "Conservative"?
You went out and gathered lies and brought them back here. You have accused me of a scam. You have committed perjury. You have given false testimony against me before the world, just as those who lied about the ministry of Jesus. You are the enemy. You are from the dark side. No one should follow you. You are out for evil.
You are completely wrong. The evil system you promote is the scam that has come out from the oppressors of the poor. You go ahead and continue putting your faith in mammon. See where that will land you. You are neither through the strait gate nor on the narrow way. You are not partaking of the real food from Heaven. You don't know my brother, Jesus.
Now, you've had your say and already said before that you were done, but as with almost every single one of your ilk who has preceded you here only to make a fool of himself, you returned to dig your grave deeper. This is how it is. You have ducked all over the place here. You have avoided the clear debate. You have avoided arguing with the tenets of this site because you refused to even open your eyes to them (refused to read the Christian Commons). Therefore, whether you intend to respond again or not, I won't approve your next submission unless it admits to your folly of preaching that the evil system of mammon is the best.
How obvious you are.
To everyone else, I want for you that you will not follow the ensnared, hypocritical, demon possessed who call mammon (capital) "evil" but at the same time the "best system." Don't fall for their blatant lies. They seek to devour you as wolves in sheep's clothing. Just look at Bernie Madoff and the rest of those who have stolen tens of trillions of dollars. The capitalists have done that and not a Real Liberal Christian, ever. He was a great mammon worshipper. The only thing he did wrong under capitalism was getting caught. Of course, to the real Christians, all capitalists are already caught. Those capitalist just imagine they are covered and can't be seen.
Tom Usher, brother of Jesus Christ and not ashamed of the giving-and-sharing, moneyless system that is coming
Here we have in Robert Crowny a person who comes here judging me:
- "Outrageously stupid"
- A scammer
Robert Crowny says I'm outrageously stupid for mixing politics and religion while he:
- Quotes Ronald Reagan's political and economic ideology against me right here
Robert Crowny also quotes Paul against me.
Robert Crowny's quote from Paul is Paul telling Robert Crowny not to do what Robert Crowny did in quoting Paul.
"Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each mans praise will come to him from God." (1 Corinthians 4: 5)
I quote Jesus, who said, Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. (John 7:24 KJVR)
I know what Jesus meant. Robert Crowny does not. Jesus did not say what Paul said or meant. Robert Crowny doesn't see or hear or know or understand the difference. I won't tell him the difference because he is swine before whom pearls of wisdom are for trampling and because Robert Crowny turns and rips at people who try to tell him the truth. He does that because he refuses to be softhearted. He claims to follow Jesus, but he is out to earn mammon for himself and perhaps to give some away for show to make himself acceptable to other men and to women with whom he seeks to ingratiate himself.
Robert Crowny quotes Paul only when it is convenient for him. He ignores Paul when Paul tells Robert Crowny to do exactly what Robert Crowny came here to rail against. Look, I'll show you.
Here is Robert Crowny quoting Ronald Reagan at me:
"We must not look to government to solve our problems. Government is the problem." -Ronald Reagan "
That's a mundanely political, economic, ideological message straight from the politician's mouth. Where has Robert Crowny used it and to what end, he imagines? He has used it on a religious site, this site, as an appeal against politics. He used politics to fight politics and religion and to promote his own politics and religion. Do you think Robert Crowny is smart enough to see that? He sees it, but he will ignore it because that's what his kind does. It's their method. They are half-truth artists. They are not interested in the whole truth. They are interested in whatever will get more for themselves apart from God. They are apostates therefore.
Now, here's Paul only not in a way convenient to Robert's stinking dung. What does Paul, whom Robert Crowny also quoted, have to say about Ronald Reagan?
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (Romans 13:1-7 KJVR)
Paul and Ronald Reagan (the great false hero of the self-styled conservative Republican Christians) are clearly at odds with each other, aren't they? Yes, they are at odds with each other without doubt. Anyone who says otherwise is outrageously stupid, to use Robert Crowny's term.
Now look at what Paul is saying about Barack Hussein Obama:
Let every soul be subject unto Barack Hussein Obama. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth Barack Hussein Obama, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For Barack Hussein Obama is not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of Barack Hussein Obama? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of Barack Hussein Obama: For Barack Hussein Obama is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for Barack Hussein Obama beareth not the sword in vain: for Barack Hussein Obama is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for Barack Hussein Obama and his administration are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all Barack Hussein Obama and his administration's dues: tribute to Barack Hussein Obama and his administration; custom to Barack Hussein Obama and his administration; fear to Barack Hussein Obama and his administration; honour to Barack Hussein Obama and his administration. (Romans 13:1-7 KJVR)
The idea for doing this was not original with me. (Credit where due: "All authorities," by Steven Kippel. Destroy:Ideas. May 6, 2008; See also: "Romans 13:4 and irony," by Jason Barr. An Absolution Revolution. February 4, 2009.)
Now, which one of these two does Robert Crowny follow, Paul or Ronald Reagan; because clearly, one cannot follow both unless that one is split down the middle? If Robert Crowny chooses Reagan, then Robert Crowny's quote of Paul that Robert Crowny attempted to use against me doesn't have the authority Robert Crowny ascribed to it for a cover for Robert Crowny, does it? No, it doesn't have such authority. If Robert Crowny chooses to follow Paul in consistency, then Ronald Reagan's teaching that stands diametrically opposed to Paul's teaching about government must be rejected. Choose, Robert!
Robert Crowny though believes that Paul's words are Holy Scripture and God breathed. In Robert Crowny's book, Robert Crowny is damned if he sides with Reagan against Paul.
Robert Crowny asked me the following:
Why do you think that these men, should have more of a say in what I do for work, how much I get paid, etc. then I do?
Robert Crowny refers to Barack Obama and others now in power. Well, Robert Crowny, go ask Paul. Read your Romans 13:1-7. Why ask me?
You will also note that if we take Robert Crowny's anti-government position to its ultimate conclusion, Robert Crowny is an anarchist. I assume Robert Crowny is not a pacifist. Robert Crowny referred to Bill Ayers in the hope of connecting Ayers' ideology to mine. However, as I've pointed out, Ayers is an anarchist and no pacifist. Robert Crowny calls Ayers a terrorist. However, Robert Crowny has not denounced war here. Robert Crowny just conveniently chooses when and where to label fighting "terrorism."
Robert Crowny is such an anarchist that Robert Crowny rejects the government of God. Robert Crowny says that he ought to be allowed to decide and that when he has money, he will be able to do much more for the poor than the liberal system I've devised.
The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right. But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand. (Isaiah 32:7-8 KJVR)
That's a political and economic statement by Isaiah. I agree with Isaiah on that. Jesus agreed with Isaiah on things too, not all things though because Jesus was more advanced than was Isaiah.
Robert Crowny though hates Isaiah. Robert Crowny hates liberal devices. He calls liberal devices "liberal crap." So Robert Crowny defecates on Isaiah's statement. Well, Jesus holds with Isaiah's statement. I know this because Jesus is consistent, and Isaiah's statement here fits perfectly with Jesus's message and deeds. Jesus devised liberal devices and has stood by them right up to the present and will continue doing so for eternity.
Robert Crowny says my "Liberal ideas ... would make us all poor." Ah yes, Robert Crowny seeks to be rich in mammon. Robert Crowny not only rejects some of Paul when it suits him, he rejects all of Jesus.
But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. (Luke 6:24 KJVR)
So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God. (Luke 12:21 KJVR)
Did Jesus say that? Sarcastically: No, he couldn't have said that, not when we are supposed to love America. It would be damning America's politics and economics. America is the land of capitalism above all others. America is the Dream of striking it rich and/or hoarding for self and making a spectacle for self-esteem that is ego and arrogance.
Well, wake up! Why do you think America is falling? The words of truth shall bring it crashing down to be replaced by those bringing forth fruits worthy of repentance.
Do you really think that stimulus spending will put things right? It is smoke and mirrors brought to you by the same people who deregulated. They do these things intentionally. They devise "wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right." It is the scientifically controlled boom and bust so-called business cycle that the superrich, highly violently coercive control-freaks use to keep everyone else off balance and stressed and stupid. It's to kill brain cells. It's to promote conflict with which the superrich send people scurrying in ways that gain the rich more of the evil fruit that pollutes the world.
That's what they do. They devour. They are the devouring spirit. That's where money and that whole system came from. Even Robert Crowny knows it. He said so:
Capitalism may not be the perfect solution, and you did say one thing reasonably intelligent: money is evil. Of course, all Christians should know this.
Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. (John 9:41 KJVR)
You see, Robert Crowny's sin remains, per the one Robert Crowny falsely claims to love and follow.
Of course stimulus spending will work in the mundane. I guarantee it. However, it definitely will not bring the good fruit (proverbial; figurative; real). It will only bring more of the bad.
Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. (Luke 18:22-23 KJVR)
What does Robert Crowny say about this? Well, Robert Crowny finds "no motivation" in it. He's not incentivized by it. Robert Crowny rather quotes huge swaths from atheist-capitalists instead. Robert Crowny rather holds that the giving-and-sharing politics and economics clearly preached and lived by Jesus and his closest and original disciples is merciless because man cannot live without mammon. Therefore, Robert Crowny exactly says Jesus is a liar by indisputable implication.
Robert Crowny says there is no choice but capitalism to bring forth. Robert Crowny also says he is saved and believes in and loves Jesus.
Now, who's outrageously stupid?
This site is all about bringing forth with zero taking and with zero personal gain other than gaining what one gains by doing the work of the Good Samaritan. If that's a scam as Robert Crowny claims, what hope does Robert Crowny have?
Robert Crowny is not bright. He is not of the light. He is not a son of God in the spiritual sense. He is flesh and not spirit in the sense Jesus uses the term when Jesus says that we are to be born again of the spirit. Robert Crowny does not have the word written on his heart and neither do his fellow libertarians who voted for libertarians for secular (non-Christian government) Robert Crowny consulted before returning here to regurgitate their inanities and false, unsubstantiated testimonies. Robert Crowny listens to fools. I say that with cause substantiated right here in this post. Robert Crowny calls me a fool in so many words but without cause.
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause [emphasis added] shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Matthew 5:22 KJVR)
When I say, how can Robert Crowny escape damnation, Robert Crowny holds forth with "I have seen that I am not the first person [with whom] you argued, called evil, and told them they are going to hell."
Well, I don't recall saying to anyone "you're going to hell" out of context with Jesus. Anyone with the sense to check can easily discover that context on this site. It's an open book to the open-hearted.
Now, you check the following for any logical flaw and let me know where it's broken. If you can do it, I'll follow you rather than Jesus (it won't happen; it can't be done):
If people do the things that Jesus said lead to Hell and if Jesus spoke truth and if those people don't stop, then they are headed to Hell.
That's pure logic. Robert Crowny has a problem with that though and on both the mundane and divine level. Robert Crowny clearly has a problem with Jesus. So too do the sources he consulted and cited (but without links so you may not go see the sources to judge for yourselves) when he was looking for dirt (fake) rather than spending his time reading this site and making up his own mind. He wasn't sent to do that though. Thinking isn't allowed in his book.
Truth telling and seeking are not allow! Don't argue with us. Don't confuse us with the facts. That's the spirit of those Robert follows.
The spirit that moved Robert Crowny to come here to leave his comments that do not make sense wouldn't approve, and Robert Crowny's gravy train from that devouring spirit would dry up. Robert Crowny would be left in the mundane with nothing and having to follow Jesus's path that is also the Christian Commons or simply dying in the flesh. Jesus clearly calls for the Commons, however; and Robert Crowny has claimed he follows Jesus. So, Robert Crowny, make up your mind. Whose side are you on? Are you with Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, Lew Rockwell, and the other non-Christians, or are you with real Christians and Christ? You cannot be with both. You cannot be both a capitalist and Christian for, as Jesus expressly states:
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. (Matthew 6:24 KJVR)
Absolutely nothing Jesus says or does runs contrary to the Commons.
The Commons does not serve mammon, and that's why the capitalists hate it, hate Jesus, hate God, and hate you if you agree with me.
Now, Robert Crowny wrote, "I know exactly what you are doing."
Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. (John 9:41 KJVR)
Remember that Robert Crowny admitted that:
Capitalism may not be the perfect solution, and you did say one thing reasonably intelligent: money is evil. Of course, all Christians should know this.
Robert Crowny though makes his claim even though he did less than those to whom Jesus is speaking. At least those others actually heard Jesus out. They listened to Jesus's parables before falling on their faces. Robert Crowny though refused to hear me out before judging and condemning me. He refused to even look at the Christian Commons Project. Robert Crowny's mentors believe they are being clever by refusing to acknowledge Jesus. They treat Jesus as the one whose name must never be uttered, at least not where the likes of me may reply right then and there to the Jesus deniers Robert Crowny and his small fry libertarian ilk follow as mesmerized sycophants. You see, the Ludwig von Mises cowards refused to approve my comment (LAISSEZ-FAIRE CAPITALIST LUDWIG VON MISES INSTITUTE DUCKING OR JUST SLOW?) on their little site. Oh, they'll hate it that I called it a "little site." They won't like it that I've used their tactic against them. However, it is little. Concerning its contents from the Holy Spirit of truth, it is completely nonexistent in very fact. How little is that!
They aren't bright. Their minions are duped into thinking those antichrist are bright. They are not. They are dull. That's why they refused to approve my comment. They know that my comments on their site no matter what questions they might pose would turn people away from them because I, unlike their minions who are sent here just as the Pharisees sent minions to challenge Jesus's authority from God, will answer directly any direct question and not be embarassed. I will answer until they refuse to answer, just as Jesus handled them. It's still the right way. It always will be. Jesus was right there in the temple in the open preaching. They could have walked right up to him and debated in earnest Jesus's theology. They didn't because they were cowards, as all bullies are. Jesus was in their faces, and they hated it because they could not defeat his message of peace, love, and truth.
By Robert Crowny's standard, everyone of the five thousand men and their women and children whom Jesus fed were slackers. In fact, Jesus is a slacker by Robert Crowny's standard (actually Robert Crowny's bosses' standard.) Robert Crowny is delusional that he is his own man.
Now, just to let my readers know, Robert Crowny, contrary to his word where he said, "I refuse to argue with you any more" (what's his word worth?), he has return and left a long comment. Here's what I wrote below about in in a reply comment to David Tragger:
Unfortunately for Robert Crowny, he has done it again. They almost always do return even after saying they're done. That's what their word is worth. It's in their spiritual genes. I have his latest submission sitting here in front of me. I haven't read it. Why should I?
Tom, (even if you are not going to post it read it)
I shouldn't even respond to this load of crap. I said I was done, but you really are completely out of line here.
That's as far as I go with it.
I ask all of you, would you continue after having told him in no uncertain terms that he is not welcome here unless he repents of what he's said?
The only (ONLY) appropriate thing for Robert to say is, "I'm sorry, please forgive me, thank you for showing me the error of my ways, and I will now atone without backsliding."
So, I could read his submission, which I definitely won't bother with, and allow it for the sake of controversy to stir up prurient interest (a soap opera of sorts one might say), but I'm not here to entertain or sensationalize. I'm here to conflate the lambs and sheep of God to bring forth to overcome Satan.
He's the one who wanted the public debate. He clearly has received more than he bargained for. I have zero tolerance for those who will not exorcise their demons. Anyone can do it with sufficient faith. Many will not. That's the way of it. That's the plan.
Now, if he's true to the capitalist form of the trolling minions of the plutocrat banksters who actually fund the libertarians behind the scenes, Robert will return even again, only he will swear up a storm and throw a temper tantrum. It is the pattern, and I'm calling them on it. You see, by calling them on it, they have to quit or look stupid. By making them quit or by exposing their method, it takes away the fake power. It can't harm the good and righteous then. You see, we win no matter what they do because our souls go on to God.
Prophesy Against Them:
You are a pathetic, unrepentant, unsaved, serpent libeler, graduate student, Robert Crowny. You (and your dark, hard-hearted sources) had no call, no cause, zero justification to label this website a "scam." You have no evidence of, no probable cause to even suspect, any scamming going on here. You are a Satanic, prosecuting, persecuting, treacherous sneak who simply doesn't want all the people freely giving and sharing all with all and being a truly Holy nation. It is you who is the fraud here. It is you who seek to misguide the people into falsely imagining that there is no better way than the evil system that is capitalism: The system of the unrighteous mammon brought forth by Satan worshippers.
Woe unto you, Robert Crowny, for it is you who is unloving, hate filled, and arrogant. Woe are the people who are for peace. When they speak, you are for war.
A Song of degrees. In my distress I cried unto the LORD, and he heard me. Deliver my soul, O LORD, from lying lips, from a deceitful tongue. What shall be given unto thee? or what shall be done unto thee, thou false tongue? Sharp arrows of the mighty, with coals of juniper. Woe is me, that I sojourn in Mesech, I dwell in the tents of Kedar! My soul hath long dwelt with him that hateth peace. I peace: but when I speak, they for war. (Psalms 120:1-7)
You try to wound me and this movement of the Holy One without cause. You contend and babble to bring sorrow. You fail! My joy is that the evil tree is exposed, its trunk hewn down, it's rotten irredeemable root dug up so as no longer to cumber the ground taking up space in vain, and that all is cast into the fire forevermore never to return. Make yourself right with God's will, or be banished from Heaven and Earth. You reward evil unto yourself. Your poison can't touch my soul. I do not partake of the false food that you dish out to the unsuspecting. I stand rather in the gap warming. Their blood is not on my hands.
You say I remind you of Westboro Baptist Church. I am no Baptist. You put me in mind of Satan. I put my hand out to help you up, but you spit. Go ahead. Go trust your wicked sources. You will be let down. It is in their very natures. They hate the stranger. They seek to build walls and barriers and to cast out the poor, as if strength lies in being merciless and in ignoring the plight of those who have been driven from their own lands by ethnic bigots and racists who claim (to trick) that God told them arbitrarily and hypocritically to murder the innocent and to covet and to twist, deceive, and lie: AntiChrists all, by definition; Fascist, terrorist, nationalist, imperialists arrogantly self-authorized, pardoned and excused only in their imaginations!
You excuse those who have decreed unrighteous decrees. You make your bed with those who preach to be silent in the face of horrendous injustices. To let it be in silence saying God is in charge so be silent. To Hell with such lies, such distortions of the message of Jesus. Your sources are the likes of those who call Jesus's clearly indicated and expressed absolute and relative standards the signs of a "flip-flop waffle boy," (read the post and thread) which sources say in diametric opposition to Jesus's own words to Pontius Pilate concerning relative sin: "God's character will not allow "levels of severity" (hogwash!)
Put the following to your source and ask him to explain without appealing that there is no answer how he is right while Jesus is right:
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. (Luke 12:47 KJVR)
Do you know relative punishment based upon relative severity of sin when you see it, or are you too stupid and hypnotized against plain truth? You think your source is light? He is not bright. He is dim and dull. He is not enlightened or enlightening. You eat his garbage from him that you came here to throw up. Then you returned to your vomit. However, it is all over you and did not land here. You cannot touch my soul. You cannot enter into my heart to make me defile myself by repeating and agreeing with your lies and terribly wicked theology.
You cite antichrist evidence to support your lie that I'm antichrist), which sources preach to abide by the doctrines and choices of men and not God, which sources claim to be Christian but ignore Jesus's own words and deeds. You are a fool! I say it with cause. It is self-evident. You cite here sources who lie to their flock that there is a dilemma between following the secular versus God. There is no such dilemma. You follow those who follow Paul's wrong teaching that we are to do as the secular state commands rather than knowing that that state if followed in all things leads souls to Hell and not to God.
I did not sell my soul to coercive democrats. Tell your libeling source to speak for himself (he who is servile to the cause of greedy, lying, warmongers and perverts) when he says the following with his double negative:
[Jesus] is not required to bow before no one. he made that clear to Satan in the desert when asked to do so in exchange for the kingdoms of the world. He follows God's law, He chose no human to rule over Him. We did. He chose the Father, we turned our backs on the Father.
Your source does not speak for me. I am not with him. I am not part of his "We." I state it here openly. You cite people against me who cannot string consistent thoughts together to save their souls. Their thoughts are disjointed, fractured, wholly inconsistent: Hypocritical. Their root is bad. They cannot follow me. They cannot grasp. Their chosen level of comprehension makes following my train of thought impossible for them. How can you trust anyone who says I have exalted sin in my words on this site? Where have I exalted sin? You cannot point to one thing on this site taken in context that exalts sin. You cite sources who say God is in control so I must not speak out against evil. Are you hearing me? You need to disavow and distance yourself from the liar who leads you into the ditch with himself. Such people say I am not to dissent against the acts of of bad government. That's the advice of the devil. Am I not to be Christlike, since Christ clearly dissented? They murdered Jesus for dissenting against bad government. You need to stop using those who debate straw men. They do not debate against what I'm actually saying.
I did not agree to abide. They are not my sovereign. I owe them no allegiance. I do not align myself with those enemies of righteousness, obvious or otherwise. My soul is not gored by your golden bull. I reject those who say Jesus was in error subject to human fallibility. I have found no fault in Christ's recorded message or deeds. Both his words and actions were, and remain, divinely logical (perfect).
There is justice against those with no reason or principle only willful subjectivity. You are in rebellion against Jesus's and my God. You are the sons of darkness, not light.
Hear me now. God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the righteous host of Heaven say that there is no such thing as a conservative, Republican, military, capitalist, homosexual, or Herzl-Zionist Christian! America is not on God's side, and God is not on America's side. The only thing that can bless America is America coming to see the whole light: Whole truth, per Jesus.
You are not going to get away with redefining Jesus.
- Churls are not being Christian.
- Voters in secular, antichrist elections are not being Christian.
- War makers are not being Christian.
- Mammon advocates are not being Christian.
- Fornicators, which necessarily includes all homosexuals, are not being Christian.
- Land coveters and stealers are not being Christian and do not deserve any support in their Satanic endeavors but rather exposure.
This is how it is. You cannot change it. It is chiseled forever in the permanent granite of the real New Heaven that cannot be defaced.
The truth is come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. (Matthew 11:15)
These unfaithful prophets claim I give them their dreams, but it isn't true. I didn't choose them to be my prophets, and yet they babble on and on, speaking in my name, while stealing words from each other. And when my people hear these liars, they are led astray instead of being helped. So I warn you that I am now the enemy of these prophets. I, the LORD, have spoken. (Jeremiah 23:30) [emphasis added]
As it now stands, according to all the law and the prophets, you are cutoff: Terminated in the end. Turn, repent, and atone before it is too late for you. I will not be punished for your sins. That's been done. That Jesus died on the cross was sufficient to pay the ransom for the lost righteous. In the New Earth and New Heaven, there will be no dying for the forever dead and wicked who have never been of the fold of Christ or the sons and daughters of Light.
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And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. (Matthew 17:24-26)