The following contains what can be used as a swear word and also clear and plain talk about the homosexual act. If you do not believe that you can handle such, don't read on. My view though is that all Christian adults are capable.
I never heard of this Derek Webb person before today.
He's done a video that has created an apparent stir between fundamental and evangelical "Conservatives" and Emergent Movement/Postmodernist (a fracturing concept).
Here are the lyrics to his most controversial song:
You say you always treat people like you like to be
I guess you love being hated for your sexuality
You love when people put words in your mouth
'Bout what you believe, make you sound like a freak
'Cause if you really believe what you say you believe
You wouldn't be so damn reckless with the words you speak
Wouldn't silently consent when the liars speak
Denyin' all the dyin' of the remedy
Tell me, brother, what matters more to you?
Tell me, sister, what matters more to you?
If I can tell what's in your heart by what comes out of your mouth
Then it sure looks to me like being straight is all it's about
It looks like being hated for all the wrong things
Like chasin' the wind while the pendulum swings
'Cause we can talk and debate until we're blue in the face
About the language and tradition that he's comin' to save
Meanwhile we sit just like we don't give a shit
About 50,000 people who are dyin' today
Tell me, brother, what matters more to you?
Tell me, sister, what matters more to you?
Now, I also read the suggested-reading links provided by Mike Morrell on his Post: "Derek Webb: What Matters More?" zoecarnate. July 16, 2009.
Those links are:
I thought, oh, Holy Spirit, do you want me to comment everywhere. The spirit did not move me to comment everywhere, as you can see.
Here's how the Holy Spirit has informed and moved me:
I found myself in agreement with Denny Burk (linked to above) on this matter, but I have additional observations.
It strikes me as mammon-profiteering to have two versions to be released: a clean and an explicit. If it is acceptable to the LORD, that's that.
As for the obscenity portion of the debate, I was surprised that it has taken center stage with many. Then I was given to understand that there are those who accept the homosexual act that is one male putting his penis into the anus of another male but who do not accept referring to the feces directly associated with that act as "shit." This strikes me as utter hypocrisy and immature for adults. Ordinarily, I render it as "sh_t" to spare those who might stumble on it.
I don't use the term for effect. We should note that the Bible does refer to feces. I won't cite the places here. Look it up for yourself if you don't know where. It will do you good. If you don't know how, seek. It can't all just be handed to you all the time.
Referring to the "material" has its place; however, it can be used for other than honest reasons.
And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught [toilet]? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. (Matthew 15:16-18 KJV)
When Jesus called people serpents, he was using what is often called today "hate speech." However, the shoe fit those serpents when the full understanding of the context is honestly taken into consideration. Jesus was saying that hating them as "hate" is used by Jesus in his enlightening sayings is proper. It is instructive. It does lead us out of temptation to fall to the deceptive ways of the Pharisees and others. In that context, "hate" is good. We ought to hate doing the wrong things, the things that go against what God wants. By definition, God is "good" and hates that which is not good, which is evil.
When I heard the song, I couldn't understand much of what was being sung. I also didn't like the music or the visual aspect of the audio/video.
I was glad though to have the lyrics in text so I could consider the issues. The subject of homosexuality is the focus of the video even though the attempt is to point out hypocrisy in those Christians who don't hold with homosexuality. This is why I agree with Denny Burk here. He sees through it. I won't repeat Denny's observations here. Go to his site.
The song begins with "You say you always treat people like you like to be.
I guess you love being hated for your sexuality."
That is completely wrong if he singing at me about me, which he is in his mind because I'm anti-homosexuality: hate homosexuality and do agree with Jesus that we are our results.
Where Derek goes wrong is, for one, he apparently hasn't considered or has considered and rejected or just ignores or didn't understand that the Christian is always to be desirous of being corrected. Jesus was being made strait leading up to his crucifixion and resurrection. He was not falling to any temptations that deviate. He was not being a homosexual, contrary to the ridiculous claim by many homosexuals and their apologists that Jesus and John were homosexuals toward each other. To Derek and his fellow travelers I say, I want to be treated as I am treating them. I want to be warned to stop if and when I stray. In being anti-homosexual, I am not hated by God and Jesus. I am warning others who might otherwise become lost. I am warning the apostates to come home.
Homosexuality is error. It is always harmful. Some people manifest worse symptoms than do others, but none escapes completely unscathed. Since we are to be about following after Jesus Christ who shows the way of becoming perfected, then we are not to be saying untruths such as that homosexuality is harmless or an immutable condition. Those are lies that Christians are forbidden by Jesus and God from spreading or exemplifying.
In addition, my answer is the Christian Commons Project. You will see that I am a total pacifist (finally anti-coercion; completely anti-military) who wants Christians to come together by the Holy Spirit to feed the world (completely anti-capitalist but also anti-Marxist) and to do all the other things Jesus promoted. I don't say this here to toot my own horn, as I can do nothing without God and Jesus directly. I can do nothing if God and Jesus do not move others to help. Who will be moved?
"Homosexuals: What they ignore." I've had many people come here leaving comments asking in essence, "What's harmful about homosexuality." It amazes me how after reading what's harmful about it, so many just focus on what is wrong in heterosexuals as if that's some sort of excuse. Informed heterosexuals aren't excused from having to repent of their errors either.
So, while I don't curse Derek Webb, I do say openly that I don't want the children and others to continue being misled by Derek Webb's twisted and defiling message.
Derek, you are spiritually ill and need to repent to be healed.
Peace, love, truth, one,
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