An Older, Wiser Ex-Gay Movement | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction

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Tom Usher wrote or added: This is a solid overview (I'm a tough grader) for all concerning where Christianity stands vis-a-vis homosexuality. The article states the truth. For many people, change takes a long time. Nevertheless, change can come quickly. While the seed quickly shoots out roots, where expectations are unrealistic in terms of temptation returning, roots can dry up and whither. In our patients, we possess our souls.
    

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    Employment: 2008 - present, website developer and writer. 2015 - present, insurance broker. Education: Arizona State University, Bachelor of Science in Political Science. City University of Seattle, graduate studies in Public Administration. Volunteerism: 2007 - present, president of the Real Liberal Christian Church and Christian Commons Project.
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    • Stephen Deloney

      How does the above reflect the message of love (not just toleration) found in Christ? I understand your anger toward Christians in the military. This does seem rather a hard sell when seen in the life and message of Christ who taught us to turn the other cheek even unto death on a cross.

      I am however rather confused with your connection of the issue of homosexuality in the church and the issue of war.

      So I apologize if I come off as somehow manipulating your words or misunderstanding your message. I just don't ever remember a passage where Jesus took the attitude of "Learn or go away"

      • Stephen Deloney,

        Your comment presupposes anger. You shouldn't do that. I'm not wrathful.

        I don't know what's confusing you about the connection of sin with sin, lust with lust, etc. Whose house do you think those things come from? Are those things to be in your Heaven?

        Do you remember any passages where Jesus said go away or that any will not enter? If so, tell me a few of them.

        Are you defending homosexuality?

        To the best of your knowledge, do you know anyone who has communicated with me on the subject(s) of militarism and/or homosexuality?

        If you have a website, please supply the URL.

        If you are a member of a particular denomination, please state which.

        Please answer each of my questions and requests or don't submit another comment.

        Don't read anything but a matter-of-fact tone of voice into my reply here. Some people can't read here without reading in yelling or the like. I'm very calm and quiet composing this.

        Thank you in advance if you choose to be cooperative.

        • Jesus loved, but he also hated. Why is it that people ignore that? Why is it that you have seemingly ignored it here, or didn't you know Jesus hated? The fact is that he did only tolerate many. He tolerated those he hated. If it comes to your mind to return with "but he said to love your enemies," then think before you simply reply with that. Aren't there things you hate about those you love? Don't you love some things about those you hate?

          If your mind is open to learning, you won't have a negative reaction to what I've written here. You'll be more than merely curious to know more, and you will not assume that I'll lead you into a dead end and not be able to shed real light.

          You wrote, "I apologize if I come off as somehow ... misunderstanding your message." Isn't it true that you don't "just come of as somehow" misunderstanding? Wouldn't it have been better to say, I don't understand?

          Now, I could write a book in reply in anticipation of all twists and turns to answer all your questions, but I already have. Anyway, I'll wait for a reply to my first reply above.