GOP-linked punk rock ministry says executing homosexuals is 'moral' « Minnesota Independent

GOP-linked punk rock ministry says executing gays is 'moral' « Minnesota Independent: News. Politic
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Tom Usher wrote or added | So, there's a big controversy about the giant retail store chain, Target, giving $150K in campaign money to Tom Emmer, who is running for governor of Minnesota, Target's home state. Tom was photographed with a couple of young men from a "Christian" ministry called, "You Can Run But You Cannot Hide" (needs a comma and title casing). Anyway, Bradlee Dean is apparently a spokesperson for that ministry and was recorded on the radio as follows (according to the "Minnesota Independent"): "Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America," Dean said on YCR's May 15 radio show on AM 1280 the Patriot. "This just shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination."

Wow, that statement by Dean is very mixed up. Bradlee Dean is reportedly a professing Christian, but there he said the "Judeo-Christian God." He's not talking about the Jews after Jesus who became known as Christians. He's talking about pre-Jesus followers of the Mosaic letter of the law. That law is not Christian law. Jesus preached against any human being taking another human being's life regardless of homosexuality or anything else.

Anyway, I think it's important to note that the article states that Tom Emmer's position is as follows: "Tom's position on social issues has been very clear and consistent. He is a supporter of traditional marriage, and he strongly opposes any kind of violence or unfair discrimination against any group."

Apparently many homosexuals and their supporters are boycotting Target over this. Of course, there is that precursor issue of the US Supreme Court ruling that corporations are human beings under the law and have the same right to contribute money to campaigns as real human beings. There's the issue of so-called free commercial speech (collective) that rolls over into free political speech (also collective).

As most people who read me for very long know, I'm opposed to the whole capitalist system – although I won't coerce it. I've set out my vision for humanity. It's as consistent with Jesus's teachings as I can make it for a generation that mostly disbelieves in the power of the spirit over all matter and energy and forces.

Dean Smithson

Ministry have some good songs.

Chris 'Pyrate' McCabe

Ya cdn't make it up........these 21st Century punks wanna go back to Bronze Age rules........

Thomas Smitherman

Well, Tom, you just don't get it do you? God hates and is destroying America because we tolerate gays. America is the most decadent country on earth and the Muslims have it right sometimes ... therefore God wants America to turn around and ... kill Muslims because America is God's special country and the Founding Fathers were touched by the Divine. God wants America to go around the world combatting the evil devil-worshippers of other non-Jewish, non-Christian religions who are trying to undermine God's chosen people (Israeli Jews) and His chosen "Christian" warrior nation (the USA).

Or so say such modern "evangelical" leaders like the late Falwell with bags of money from dodgy sources.

But it is the source of that money that Christians must truly fight.

Tom Usher

" is the source of that money that Christians must truly fight."

The source of mammon is the spirit of hypocrisy (the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees) that is harmfulness, selfishness: anti-Christ; the proverbial and literal Satanic spirit.

What's wrong with people, Thomas, that they don't want to discuss getting rid of the system that is mammon? The only people I hear talking about it are the Venus Project types; but they are for a New Age technocracy, which is the spirit of Nimrod, full circle back to the spirit of self-authorized libertinism/hypocrisy.

We have quite a collection right in the four us to have commented here.

Dean, you've been touting neo-Nazism at me: [also here: "Grisly Photos Reveal Genocide by Sri Lankan Government Against Tamil People [including confused Neo-Nazi commentary/prescription]"]

[also here: "Most Nazis Don't Think it Through"]

You're anti-homosexuality but pro-socialism. However, you're a segregationist based upon bloodline and not spiritline. Christians are spiritline oriented even as they are to be good spirits towards our bloodlines.

Chris and Thomas, you'll have to read Dean's comments to try to get a sense of where he is.

Chris, you profess Christianity and seem to understand/concede that homosexuality and Jesus's words don't fully jibe, but you're strong about not killing or otherwise coercing homosexuals. Thomas and I agree with you about that. I can't speak for Thomas; but Chris, I believe you know that I say that the very brain matter is mutable and that people can change/be changed concerning anything. It's all a matter of faith. Unbelief generally, generally reduces what faith doesn't in others individually and collectively. This is why Jesus could not do many healings where the people were fuller of hypocrisy.

Thomas, you're a professing Christian who sees continuity in what's called High Church. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you also believe that the secular system is where we Christians must operate, for practical reasons I would assume. You are anti-homosexuality; but, as I mentioned, and as is clear from your comment, you don't hold with killing or coercing homosexuals. I won't go so far as to say that you are opposed to all state coercive force. I think you are not, or at least you weren't the last time we touched on the subject.

Then there's my view that the system must go but not by force of arms but by change of heart, mind, spirit, soul. However, I am stuck dealing with the worldly world, just as I believe Jesus was stuck in a sense (not ultimately but temporally). I've called for the Christian Commons Project. Chris joined. Thank you, Chris!

I recently published an article on OpEdNews: "Who is the Family of Humanity, and Why Does Anyone Charge a Member to Eat?." The most recent comment there sums up a sticking point concerning which I would like help getting people beyond. That comment is as follows:

"I too have tried and failed to be a total communist. I visited Yogaville a new age community. To join I would have had to renounce all worldly goods and live in a tiny room and work 24/7 [?] for visitors and members of that community.

"Although I hope that in some life I am capable of giving my life totally to God in such a way of self-renunciation I also know that I am not ready for such an intense spirituality right now.

"To put my land in a land trust and share it and own my house and other possessions privately is the best that I and most people can hope to achieve, I think. When I can pray and mediate half way to the next level then I will try for deep transcendence of the ego and the mortal self and pay attention to the soul almost exclusively."

How do we get people to move beyond this: "To put my land in a land trust and share it and own my house and other possessions privately is the best that I and most people can hope to achieve, I think"? How do we get people to put the wholesome/wholeness above their fractured desires no matter how small the fractures, their confusion? What language/words will compel their emotions and change their state to last?

It appears Jesus's followers where moved in that direction. They sold all and shared the proceeds. Of course, time was short. Preterism was alive and well. I agree with it but do not end there. It was an age within ages.

So, here we are nearly two thousand years later with the world still headed for Hell with a bunch of violent, greedy, depraved monsters running the worldly planet. How do we reach them to stop, turn, repent, and atone? How do we stop them from attacking Iran?

If they attack Iran, there will be much more Hell to pay. The combination of the convenient yet stupid paranoia of the Zionists and their utter covetousness and callousness and lies with the support of the mainly self-styled conservative, Republican Christians is the most dangerous thing going right now and has been for decades if not centuries (frankly, many centuries albeit under different names).

The Christian Dominionist/Reconstructionists have grossly distorted the words and deeds of Jesus. Only the re-straightening of those words and deeds will save the world. Of course, what is the New Earth? After the Son of man returned with his angels, where did he take the sheep and the wheat as opposed to the goats and the tares? They are in their New Earth and New Heaven. As I said though, I agree with it but it doesn't end there. There are ages within ages. We are passing through. Do we end up in the New Earth and New Heaven? I believe it still depends upon all the same factors that Jesus enunciated in terms of how we reach down to help each other by the side of the road so to speak.

I've been wanting to do that collectively. That's why I've been "promoting" the Christian Commons Project. We can't do anything alone. We can do things just with God, but Jesus wants two or more to be gathered.

How do I get people/souls to be willing to do what I'm willing to do? How do we get to where we Christians put Jesus's words to test us in our decisions individually and collectively?

Karl Marx talked and wrote a great deal. His call was for violent revolution and then a dictatorship of industrial workers. He took the great idea of giving and sharing all and defiled it with the lusts that came out of the wrong-headed, wrong-hearted (misled) treasure in his heart. He misled hundreds of millions and to a degree, billions. He gave rise to nearly endless counter-lies of the capitalists.

When do we take back the agenda? I'm doing it now. How do we magnify it? We magnify it with numbers of voices and deeds worthy of repentance.

Working the worldly system will never work. As much focus and effort must be put into bringing forth outside that system as is now going into trying to tweak that system before the balance will tip in favor of global righteousness.

And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. (Luke 12:42-44)

So, if we do this together, we inherent the New Earth and New Heaven, which are true peace. To do it, we must be the least for the sakes of each and all in Christianity now and to come.

And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all. (Mark 9:35)

Those who heard but rejected and went on with their iniquity will inherit what they brought forth and be elsewhere.

I see nothing wrong with it. What's unfair in it? What's unjust?

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    Employment: 2008 - present, website developer and writer. 2015 - present, insurance broker. Education: Arizona State University, Bachelor of Science in Political Science. City University of Seattle, graduate studies in Public Administration. Volunteerism: 2007 - present, president of the Real Liberal Christian Church and Christian Commons Project.
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