Griffin demolishes Allen, Chomsky, Cockburn, Corn, Hayes, Monbiot, Rothschild, & Taibbi's 9/11-Truth denial/despisal

Source: www.globalresearch.ca

Tom Usher commented or added the following:

David Ray Griffin absolutely takes apart "Terry Allen, Noam Chomsky, Alexander Cockburn, David Corn, Chris Hayes, George Monbiot, Matthew Rothschild, and Matt Taibbi" over their 9/11-Truth denial/despisal.

"... when NIST finally issued its WTC 7 report in 2008, it did not affirm either element in the twofold explanation that had been proffered by Popular Mechanics. With regard to the first element, NIST said: '[F]uel oil fires did not play a role in the collapse of WTC 7.'29 With regard to the second element, NIST said: 'Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from the debris from WTC 1 [the North Tower] had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7.'"
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"... when NIST later denied that either the debris-damage or the diesel fuel played a role in the collapse of WTC 7, [Matthew] Rothschild [editor of "The Progressive"] and [Terry] Allen did not retract their prior assurances. It seems that they, in effect, simply said – like Gilda Radner on Saturday Night Live in the 1970s – "Never mind." Their attitude seemed to be, in other words, that whatever the government says, that is what they will believe. Whatever kind of journalism this is, it is certainly not truth-seeking journalism."
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"... there were fires on only a few floors, and these fires never covered an entire floor at the same time. The official account implies, therefore, that a very asymmetrical pattern of fires produced an entirely symmetrical collapse."
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"... by affirming absolute free fall while continuing to deny that either incendiaries or explosives had been employed, is not consistent with basic principles of physics."
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"... NIST's account "violates Newton's Law of Conservation of Momentum," which requires that, "as the stationary inertia of each floor is overcome by being hit," the speed of descent must decrease."
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"... there is no empirical basis for claiming that either tower's steel had lost any strength, let alone 90 percent of it. On the one hand, as MIT engineering professor Thomas Eagar has pointed out, structural steel only 'begins to soften around 425°C [797°F].'74 On the other hand, scientific studies on 16 perimeter columns carried out by NIST scientists found that 'only three [of these perimeter] columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250˚C [482˚F].' These NIST scientists also found no evidence that even this temperature (250˚C [482˚F]) had been reached by any of the core columns.75

"Accordingly, far from having evidence that any of the steel in the columns reached the temperature (1,000°C [1,832°F]) at which it would have lost 90 percent of its strength, NIST had no evidence that any of the columns would have lost even one percent of their strength."
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"... steel had actually evaporated – not merely melted ...." ["... the thinning of the steel had resulted, according to the three WPI professors' report, from sulfidation."
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"'The thermate reaction proceeds rapidly and is in general faster than basic thermite in cutting through steel due to the presence of sulfur. (Elemental sulfur forms a low-melting-temperature eutectic with iron.)'121

"Besides providing an explanation for the eutectic reaction, thermate could also, Jones pointed out, explain the melting, oxidation, and sulfidation of the steel:

"'When you put sulfur into thermite it makes the steel melt at a much lower temperature, so instead of melting at about 1,538°C [2,800°F] it melts at approximately 988°C [1,820°F], and you get sulfidation and oxidation in the attacked steel.'122"]"
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"... fires could not possibly, even under the most ideal conditions (which did not obtain), have been hotter than 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit (the maximum possible temperature for hydrocarbon-based building fires, which these fires were said to be), whereas the melting and boiling points of steel are only slightly lower than those of iron, which are 2,800°F and 5,182°F, respectively.93 So if one accepts the official account, according to which all the heat was produced by the building fires, then one must believe that these fires had miraculous powers."
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"Whereas iron particles constitute only 0.04 percent of normal building dust, they constituted (a whopping) 5.87 percent of the WTC dust.99 The existence of these particles, the RJ Lee Group said, proved that iron had 'melted during the WTC Event.'100"
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"... molybdenum, the melting point of which is 4,753°F (2,623°C), had also melted."
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"... fires continued burning in the Ground Zero rubble for many months, in spite of every attempt to put them out,...."
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"A non-miraculous explanation is suggested by the discovery of a large amount of nanothermite residue in the WTC dust, which was reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal in 2009.107 Being both an incendiary and a high explosive, nanothermite is one among several types of 'energetic nanocomposites' – described by an article in The Environmentalist as 'chemical energetic materials, which provide their own fuel and oxidant and are not deterred by water, dust or chemical suppressants.'108 The discovery of nanothermite residue in the dust provided, therefore, an empirical basis for a non-miraculous explanation of the long-lasting fires at Ground Zero."
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"It is hard to imagine, however, what could discredit the left more than having many of its recognized leaders endorsing the Bush-Cheney administration's 9/11 conspiracy theory, especially at a time when more and more scientists and people in relevant professions are pointing out its absurdities.

"Conspiracy Theories and the Official Account of 9/11: I realize, of course, that most of you do not like to acknowledge that the official account of 9/11 is itself a conspiracy theory, given the one-sided, propagandistic meaning with which this term is now commonly employed."
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"... after an article about 9/11 by former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura, which had been posted at the Huffington Post, was quickly taken down, the HP editor gave this explanation: 'The Huffington Post's editorial policy . . . prohibits the promotion and promulgation of conspiracy theories — including those about 9/11. As such, we have removed this post.'137 In response, I pointed out that this policy entails that the HP 'cannot accept any posts that state, or imply, that al-Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, for that is a conspiracy theory.' ...the Bush-Cheney conspiracy theory about 9/11."

I was unaware that The Huffington Post practices such intellectually dishonest censorship. Shame on them, for they'll put smut on their site but not substantiated debating points. The HuffPo is not one of my go-to sites.

"Chris Hayes faulted the Truth Movement for focusing on what he called 'physical minutiae,' such as 'the altitude in Pennsylvania at which cellphones on Flight 93 should have stopped working.'168 It would appear, however, that the FBI took such 'minutiae' seriously: When it issued a report in 2006 on the (alleged) phone calls from the 9/11 airliners, the FBI designated only two of them as having been made on cell phones, and both of those, the FBI said, had been made from Flight 93 when it, about to crash, was at a low altitude. All the other reported calls from this flight (as well as all the reported calls from the other flights) were said to have been made from onboard phones, including three to five calls that Deena Burnett reported having received from her husband, Tom Burnett.169

"This change of story got rid of the problem of technologically impossible (miraculous) phone calls, but it created another problem: How to explain the reports of approximately ten calls from this flight that, according to the recipients, had been made on cell phones? In some cases, we might assume, the recipients had misunderstood, or misremembered, what they had been told. But Deena Burnett said – and she reported this to the FBI on 9/11 itself – that she knew her husband had used his cell phone, because she recognized his cell phone number on her own phone's Caller ID. If Tom Burnett had really called his wife using an onboard phone, as the FBI now claims, the fact that his cell phone number repeatedly showed up on her Caller ID would have to count as a miracle."
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"I have also raised questions about the alleged phone calls from CNN correspondent Barbara Olson, which had been reported that day by her husband, US Solicitor General Ted Olson. She had phoned him twice, he claimed, from American Flight 77 (which allegedly crashed into the Pentagon shortly thereafter).

"In a list of my views treated derisively by Rothschild, he said: 'Griffin casts doubt on whether the phone calls actually happened.'171 Perhaps Rothschild will be more impressed by the fact that, in its 2006 report on phone calls from the 9/11 airliners, the FBI did not support the claim that the calls from Barbara Olson 'actually happened.' Although Ted Olson said he had received two calls from his wife, with the first call lasting 'about one (1) minute'172 and the second one lasting 'two or three or four minutes,'173 the FBI report on calls from American Flight 77 says that Barbara Olson attempted one call, which was 'unconnected,' so that it (of course) lasted '0 seconds.'174

"The reported calls from Barbara Olson were very important: They provided the first evidence given to the public that the planes had been hijacked; they were instrumental in getting the American public ready to strike back at Muslims in a 'war on terror'; and they were also the only source for a piece of information that everyone 'knows' – that the hijackers had box-cutters. One would think, therefore, that it would be of more than passing interest to people concerned about the direction of US foreign policy since 9/11 that an FBI report in 2006 indicates that these calls never happened."
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"Lying at the root of this so-called war on terror, both historically and as present justification, is the official account of 9/11. So it is, as I wrote in response to Cockburn in Le Monde Diplomatique three years go, 'The Truly Distracting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory.'177"

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