New Age: Can't use it

Rick Staggenborg posted to my Facebook Wall:

Today's blog on Soldiers For Peace International is unique in that it is an attempt to tie together key concepts from the online book of essays Stop the Madness: The Diary of a Soldier For Peace in the War to take Back America that explain why I am convinced that humanity is undergoing a shift in collective consciousness that will save civilization from self-destruction.

Don't take my word for it. Check out this video of John Perkins explaining his similar vision.

For those interested, there are hyperlinks to the original essays exploring these concepts in more detail throughout this blog.

Now, it's fine that Rick posted to my Wall, but here's my reply:

John Perkins is New Age. I'm not interested. I've heard him.

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Easy does it.

Rick didn't like that:

Apparently not enough. I am surprised that you would judge someone because his spiritual beliefs do not seem to mesh with yours. I see no essential differences between the essence of Christianity, Buddhism and the best of Hinduism.

I do not include Judaism or Islam only because they teach proscriptions on behavior and require acceptance of other beliefs that I do not happen to believe in. Although in theory Judaism is a very broad religion that has it own version of the Golden Rule (as does Islam), both have a long list of forbidden behaviors that both say are God's commandments.

I would not characterize Perkins as "New Age." He seems to me to believe in the unity of all things, which is a scientific fact as regards the physical universe and a commonly accepted belief about spiritual reality in Buddhism, shamanism,animism, Hinduism, Judaism, Islam and Christianity. The Trinity is one such formulation, where the Holy Spirit binds us to God and to one another through Christ.

What is your specific objection? Please don't tell me it is just that he doesn't belong to your religious club! I know that you don't believe in eccumenicalism m but I never took you for a fundamentalist. Anyone who thinks Christ wanted us to follow some belief system someone created out of minor points in the Bible doesn't get the essential message. We are all equal in the eyes of God and our only duty is to love each other as we would want to love ourselves.

How do we become one if we cannot recognize that if we all follow this commandment that we can end war and other injustice. Every atheist I know understands that. The main reason they are not at least agnostic is because they don't know the difference between faith and reason:

Tom's reply:

No, Rick, I've seen many hours of his stuff and read more articles of his than I can remember. However, I know a great deal about the New Age Movement; and I know it is decidedly anti-Christ. He is New Age.

I've had run-ins with many Hindus. They can be very hostile and very dishonest. I don't paint all Hindus with one brush, but that's the nature of Hinduism. They can have the gods they want, so some of them have some really nasty spirits they're following. I know you know that, so you don't have to defend yourself about it.

There's a huge spiritual war going on Rick. I don't know how much you've been exposed to the nitty gritty of it. I've gone way, way in.

Of course, my out-front blog on a number of issues has made me a target.

You and I had a rather long discussion once on matters that are closely related to all of this.

Perhaps you should study more about the real roots of the New Age movement in terms of its literal anti Jesus beginnings.

Have you studied Theosophy and it's history? I have.

I get rusty on it, but as soon as someone comes along, such as you just have, all the thoughts that weren't front and center come rushing back. It's dark side, Rick Staggenborg. It's definitely dark side. It's very self-centered -- very!

They want Christianity dead. Think about what that means. I don't mean they want just certain denominations gone. I mean they want Jesus dead, as in no more teachings of Jesus being followed. That's a fact. Check it out.

Perkins is no Jesus-lover. Try to pin him down on it, and I guarantee that he'll mess up the definition of love. He will not use the term as Jesus did, in Jesus's context.

As for your statement: "Anyone who thinks Christ wanted us to follow some belief system someone created out of minor points in the Bible doesn't get the essential message," that's rather patronizing considering you are not a Christian.

No, I don't fit the description of a Fundamentalist as they define themselves; however, I do read Jesus and know that you, Rick, don't get Christianity if you think one can be Christian and any other religion at the same time. There is no being Christian and Buddhist or Hindu or Muslim or Jewish (as in Talmudic Judaism or even Mosaic Torah) or any other.

As for your statement: "...the unity of all things, which is a scientific fact as regards the physical universe and a commonly accepted belief about spiritual reality in Buddhism, shamanism,animism, Hinduism, Judaism, Islam and Christianity."

That is absolutely not a Christian tenet. Where did you get that idea: New Age twisting. It's total bull. Christianity is about separation. It's about deliverance from false religions for one.

I'll be happy to discuss it with you but not from the perspective that you know more about Christianity than do I. You don't. Some people may, but you definitely aren't one of them.

I like your anti-war position. I like plenty of your views but not this New Age confusion.

Peace!

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