#ows Capitalist hogwash: The Pilgrims' Real Thanksgiving Lesson: Newsroom: The Independent Institute

I commented via Facebook commenting on the linked post, but I really want to blog it too. I'm so tired of capitalist distortions. Here's the comment I left there:

Benjamin Powell

Benjamin Powell

"Bad weather or lack of farming knowledge did not cause the pilgrims' shortages. Bad economic incentives did."

Total capitalists hogwash that is. An inability to be true Christians caused the Pilgrims' shortages. The Hutterites would have suffered no such scarcity the Pilgrims brought upon themselves due to their selfishness and laziness and unwillingness to be Christian concerning each other. The real economic incentive for real Christians is per Acts 4:32, which is completely in line with the teachings of Jesus.

Get your facts right, and tell the whole truth. Stop spreading false-propaganda for selfishness. Capitalism is a failure of the spirit. It is fatally flawed.

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common." (Acts 4:32) Debunk that!

Then I left another as a reply to someone else's comment that Christian scripture supports capitalism (It does not!):

"I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours." (John 4:38)

What do you think that means regarding your claimed interpretation: "...means your work is yours a capitalist system from scripture for man"?

You take verses out of context to support your selfishness, your unwillingness to be as the Apostles were and as Jesus was with them. Repent of it if you are able.

Here's the linked post: The Pilgrims' Real Thanksgiving Lesson: Newsroom: The Independent Institute.

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    Employment: 2008 - present, website developer and writer. 2015 - present, insurance broker. Education: Arizona State University, Bachelor of Science in Political Science. City University of Seattle, graduate studies in Public Administration. Volunteerism: 2007 - present, president of the Real Liberal Christian Church and Christian Commons Project.
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    • Anonymous

      Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
      ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal
      sharing of misery. -Winston ChurchillYou're vision is just that, a dream. A dream which when instantiated in the real world will never create as much wealth and prosperity as a free market economy can.Collectivism has never produced a economic superpower, though it has destroyed one. Hopefully it won't destroy ours.Wake up Tom

      • Oh Bruce, so worn-out, so boring...

        Do you have any idea of how ignorant you sound? You have the nerve to tell me to wake up when it is you who is asleep. Did you even bother to read in any depth on this website before shooting off your mouth? No, you didn't. Admit it. You just came here, saw a few things, and jumped to all sorts of ignorant and false conclusions based upon the brainwashing you've been put through. Let me straighten you out, if that be possible.

        Are you interested in being straight? Is it even debatable?

        First of all, I don't know where you learned to write, but put a space after each period ending a sentence. Everyone makes mistakes; but you appear quite careless, which is also reflected in your words.

        You quote Winston Churchill at me as if he is some sort of Godlike figure and/or an authority of any kind in my eyes. Let me let you in on something if you aren't already aware of it. Winston Churchill was a racist ass and war-monger. If you don't believe me, you can do some searching on this site to find out what Winston was really about.

        Even if Winston Churchill had not been a racist ass, he was not referring to Christianity, per se, or to Jesus Christ and his closest disciples, who lived from one purse and continued doing so as an example for us all (if we are able to accept it). Those who claim that the Apostles did so only because of the particular times and that otherwise, "capitalism" fits with Jesus's Gospel are extremely ignorant of Jesus's intentions. They misread his parables terribly. They are devoid of understanding.

        As for the rest of your nonsense, even though it doesn't apply to Christianity anyway, whether you like it or not, the Soviet Union was definitely a superpower in the same sense that, that term is applied to the falling US. I certainly disagreed with the Soviets methods and am no Marxist regardless, but if you think that had there been no hyper-greedy capitalist enemies of even Marxist socialism that, that socialism wouldn't have been able to bring forth material gain even better than has the US, you're very confused and a very shallow thinker.

        The Soviets were what they were due to the violence within and without (without in the form of the capitalists). If you think that the US's military is some sort of Godsend, you're frankly insane.

        As for "collectivism" being unable to produce wealth and prosperity, do you actually believe that your so-called "free market economy" has produce real wealth and prosperity rather than a negative drain on the Earth? Wake up, yourself! Your "market" has raped the planet. Unbridled capitalism is the greatest sin there is. What are you, a mammon worshiper?

        If you think that a giving-and-sharing-all spirit is worse than your selfishness, well I certainly won't be seeing you in Heaven, thank God Almighty. If you don't believe in Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit, well, that's your monkey on your back – not mine.

        When you were growing up, did your father charge you for every meal or was his house a shared thing. Didn't you call it yours, or did you tell people you were going to your parents' house, as if you lived somewhere else? So, dull Bruce, who is your brother and your neighbor? Are you no one's keeper? Do you have small children? Do you make them pay for their food at your table? Oh, you extend the giving and sharing only to where you've been programmed by the capitalists to do so. You don't think for yourself about where to draw the lines. You just take your cues from the anti-Christs, as if they aren't preaching inherent evil.

        Why did the Canadian "capitalists" make it against the law for the Hutterites to buy more land? It's called persecution – exactly what you're attempting to do here but failing miserably to accomplish because your views are plainly stupid.

        Repent, Bruce, before it's too late for you.

        Oh, is your last name really 80203, or are you just hiding or both?

        Look, Bruce, even Satan knows he loses in the end and even already has lost. He's just living it "up" (down) while there's still so-called time for his wicked, anti-God spirit.

        Are you offended? Did you think you were going to get milquetoast here in reply to your comments? Jesus called them serpents, Bruce. Get with it.

        May God bless you with the truth, Bruce.

        Tom

    • Johnenlightened

      Tom, I agree with the Antichrist Rothschild Zionist one world order.  I have studied it and understand it fully.  However, I think to equate socialism or communism with Christ is completely erroneous.  I think your heart is in the right place but you may be slightly misguided.  I agree that taxes are completely against the teachings of Jesus (it is slavery, at best).  However, Jesus said we will reap what we sow.  And, if you are a Christian country, and base your laws on Christ, you have to conclude that the "free market" is the closest to Jesus' laws that you can get.  Church and family and community always took care of the poor and sick.  Unfortunately,  the zionists have misled the west so far away from our Christian roots and belief system, that the citizens are forced, through taxes, to care for those who can't or won't care for themselves.  In a truly Christian society, we must be free to use our god given talent and most importantly, our god given FREE WILL to do the most we can for Christ. I can do much more for Christ and fulfilling the great commission by having the means to care for and spread gods word, then planting a few vegetables in my back yard and sharing it with my neighbor. For it is free will that god has given us in order for him to judge those that truly endeavor to follow god's commands.  My point is, under a free "capitalist" society, true Christians will give and take care of their Christian brothers and follow the great commission by spreading god's message through god's word, truth,grace and charity.  Again, my question to you is, how do suggest that a socialist or communist society (that enslaves through taxes) is godlike.  I think socialism or communism is the furthest from Christ's teachings.  I understand "communal" living is not identical to communist or socialist, but it is premised on the same laws.  And, I do not believe those "laws" are God like.  I look forward to your response.

      • "I understand "communal" living is not identical to communist or socialist, but it is premised on the same laws." Jesus living from one purse with his closest disciples shows otherwise.

        The US is not a Christian country. Regardless, I would definitely not conclude that a capitalist so-called free market is the closest to Jesus's laws. If I thought it, I would be for it. Rather, I am for the Christian Commons, which is vastly closer to Jesus's teachings than is capitalism. There is no capitalism in Heaven. Heaven is a Commons.

        In case you are confused, the Commons is non-coercive.

        I disagree that there are many people who "won't take care of themselves." Greedy people make it intentionally difficult for everyone to be able to work. Is that news to you? Have you heard the term "systemic unemployment"? It's designed to keep inflation in check.

        I don't know how much or little you know about the Commons. It sounds like you don't understand it.

    • Johnenlightened

      Tom, I agree with the Antichrist Rothschild Zionist one world order.  I have studied it and understand it fully.  However, I think to equate socialism or communism with Christ is completely erroneous.  I think your heart is in the right place but you may be slightly misguided.  I agree that taxes are completely against the teachings of Jesus (it is slavery, at best).  However, Jesus said we will reap what we sow.  And, if you are a Christian country, and base your laws on Christ, you have to conclude that the "free market" is the closest to Jesus' laws that you can get.  Church and family and community always took care of the poor and sick.  Unfortunately,  the zionists have misled the west so far away from our Christian roots and belief system, that the citizens are forced, through taxes, to care for those who can't or won't care for themselves.  In a truly Christian society, we must be free to use our god given talent and most importantly, our god given FREE WILL to do the most we can for Christ. I can do much more for Christ and fulfilling the great commission by having the means to care for and spread gods word, then planting a few vegetables in my back yard and sharing it with my neighbor. For it is free will that god has given us in order for him to judge those that truly endeavor to follow god's commands.  My point is, under a free "capitalist" society, true Christians will give and take care of their Christian brothers and follow the great commission by spreading god's message through god's word, truth,grace and charity.  Again, my question to you is, how do suggest that a socialist or communist society (that enslaves through taxes) is godlike.  I think socialism or communism is the furthest from Christ's teachings.  I understand "communal" living is not identical to communist or socialist, but it is premised on the same laws.  And, I do not believe those "laws" are God like.  I look forward to your response.