Jesus called all homosexuals sinners. He called all homosexual behavior a sin.

"Hate always loses"? Per your Lord and Savior: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26) "He that is not with me is against me." (Matthew 12:30) "And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." (Mark 7:20-23)

All homosex was either adultery or fornication there. Therefore, he said that everyone engaging in homosexual behavior are sinners, all homosexual behavior is a sin. There was no homosexual marriage. Jesus never said sodomy is okay or anything remotely close to that. What he did say about the Sodomites (who are infamous for having been homosexuals) is this:

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. (Luke 17:27-30)

If you don't believe Jesus, well, that's you: an unbeliever, a heathen. I believe him. What say you, do you believe him or not?

This post continues the discussion/explanation and is a part hereof: The Good Samaritan Tells You Homosex is Sin.

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    Employment: 2008 - present, website developer and writer. 2015 - present, insurance broker. Education: Arizona State University, Bachelor of Science in Political Science. City University of Seattle, graduate studies in Public Administration. Volunteerism: 2007 - present, president of the Real Liberal Christian Church and Christian Commons Project.
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    • I received the following comment about my post above:

      "I don't believe that an all loving God would feel that way. At the end of the day you are quoting from a man made book."

      I replied as follows:

      You are operating under the misunderstanding that love means no disliking, no hating. That's where you have been hung up all along. You'll have to work that out if you want to follow Jesus. If you are under the impression that the Gospel writers, as I quoted the Gospels to you, have misled concerning Jesus's teachings, you're wrong; but you'll not find out until you die on the path you are following now. It's up to you. You need to change your path.

      I think you just don't comprehend the Gospels. I believe you haven't read the Bible.

      I explained to you that love and hate are spectra. I also told you about perfection, which is objectively absolute. That's God. Do you love your family members as equal to that? How much less do you love them than God? Does that gap look huge enough that by comparison, you hate them? What is it about them that falls short of God's perfection? Don't you hate that about them at all, even slightly? Be honest.

      If it's too much for you to wrap your mind around, I can't help you. It's not too much for me at all. I love it. It calls higher, not lower. It requires more than what you're talking about. It reveals more than your approach. It makes clear what is imperfect, such as males sticking their penises up each other's rectums. How you can think that, that behavior is acceptable to God, I cannot accept. I don't accept it. I don't think you really believe it. I think you're in denial about it.

      That's all. I'm not mad at you. I'm unable to help you beyond trying to inform you. You'll have to take what I've said and do the work yourself. You just don't seem interested in Christianity at all. You seem New Age at this point, which is absolutely not Christian.

      Think about the utter hypocrisy in the Episcopal Church where they will read aloud Paul's words that homosexuality is a grave sin and then turn around and marry two men together or two women together. Do you think they should be reading his words as the word of God and then marrying people to the same sex? Don't you think they are wrong to read Jesus's words and do the same thing? What do they do now, say that the Gospels are just words of men about a man who was not divine, did no miracles, and wasn't resurrected. It makes no sense. That's why I'm not an Episcopalian. They left me. They left my father. [My father] would not have married men together under any circumstances.

    • "Paul's words that homosexuality is a grave sin"  Saul of Tarsus was not Jesus : nor did he ever seem to understand that Good News emphasizes compassion for man as the role of God's Word.

      • Did you understand about the utter hypocrisy in the Episcopal Church where they will read aloud Paul's words that homosexuality is a grave sin and then turn around and marry two men together or two women together?

        •  What 'ducking' ? You have not provided a citation.

        • Your comments on this site are herewith cited. You answered my question with a ducking question -- prima fascia evidence against you for the umpteenth time!

          So, now that I answered your question, answer mine (for a change).

          1) Did you understand about the utter hypocrisy in the Episcopal Church where they will read aloud Paul's words that homosexuality is a grave sin and then turn around and marry two men together or two women together?

          2) Do you agree or disagree about Jesus?: "All homosex was fornication there. He called all homosexuals sinners. He called all homosexual behavior a sin. There was no homosexual marriage."

          And don't finagle your reply by falsely claiming a non-answer by you is actually an answer. A response and an answer are not necessarily the same thing, John.

          Are you even capable of answering with a straight answer?

        •  I certainly do recall the days of my youth when the Church said, like you, that fornication and sodomy were sins. That includes sex either way I believe. Plus one should note that abstinence was a big deal with the Essenes. But : you keep saying 'Jesus says`when I hear many claims he did no such thing. So get with the program. Quote Scripture - Red Letter Christian style.

        • It has to be in red for you because black and white isn't good enough. What a fake you are!

          And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. (Mark 7:20-23)

          What part of "fornications" don't you understand? What part of that the homosexuals were not married, that Jesus didn't allow it, don't you understand?

          Look, you're anti-Christ. That's a fact. You're on the dark side, John, have been since you first showed up here; and you just can't shake it.

          Watch Dr. Gagnon Dismantle False-Christian Teachings of Homosexual Episcopal Bishop Robinson.

          Try waking up. Your "friends" are constantly mocking Jesus: Queen James Bible: Homosexuals' False Scripture.

        •  Yep. And I recall that some like Timothy never overcame their suspicion of him. But I do NOT call `Paul`Lord. Do You. Nor do I understand the Old Testament as different than extracts of the teachings of the society in which Jesus was brought up : a society which repeatedly tried to entrap him with word snares based on written texts which worked as legal stratagems to harass the untutored.

        • Answered: http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/2012/12/16/jesus-called-all-homosexuals-sinners-he-called-all-homosexual-behavior-a-sin.html#comment-747589660

          You just refuse to take Jesus' own words for Jesus' own words. He was against homosex! Understand? Now get out of here before I block you for cause and shake the dust from my feet concerning you.

          "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city." (Mark 6:11)

          How dare you twist and ignore the words of Jesus Christ, John, to allow the abomination that is two men sodomizing each other! Have you no shame? You disgust me.

        • It's dirt simple. Telling me Jesus said something is not the same as pointing up what he said and where. Ban away. You are wasting my time too.

        • Yes, it is dirt simple but too much for you.

          And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. (Mark 7:20-23)

          The "he" there in "he said" refers to Jesus who is then directly quoted: "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications...."

          All active homosexuals were fornicators. They were not married and could not be. It was and remained against the law of God. Jesus did not change that. Are you honestly claiming that homosexual men could have anal sex with each other and it not be fornication?

          You spend all your energy trying to squirm out of everything. It hasn't worked before, isn't working now, and never will. You are flat-out wrong. Your foolishness comes from within you and defiles you. You are a son of Satan. You are anti-Christ. It's that simple. Take your evil words with you. They are rejected here for cause.

        • You always duck out and never stand up for Jesus and truth. You are a coward. You are afraid to stand openly with me against homosexuality even though you know homosex is wrong! http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/2012/12/31/the-good-samaritan-tells-you-homosex-is-sin.html

      • Do you agree or disagree about Jesus: "All homosex was fornication there. He called all homosexuals sinners. He called all homosexual behavior a sin. There was no homosexual marriage." Are you ducking, again? Don't you ever stop ducking, John?

        Why do I let you comment here? Why don't I block you. Haven't you ever wondered? Do I know something about you that you don't yet know (again) about yourself?

        Thank God for sending Jesus with his clear words about homosexuality and all other forms of sexual depravity and harmful feelings, thoughts, words, and deeds.

        Repeat this and mean it: "Thank God for sending Jesus with his clear words about homosexuality and all other forms of sexual depravity."

    • ZnSD

      You just never get tired of lying, do you? Jesus said NOTHING about homosexuality.  But hey, please continue with your dog and pony show, begging for money whilst lying about anything and everything. You're a total douchebag.

      • You are so slow to grasp what matters. What's the matter with you that you don't know that anyone who engaged in any sex outside of his or her marriage was committing either adultery or fornication and that Jesus condemned both of those: fornication and adultery? It is absolutely impossible that Jesus was not calling all homosexual acts sins. Do you really think Jesus was illogical and dimwitted as you are? He was not!

        You call me a liar for knowing how to read what Jesus meant and didn't mean. I can stand before God and Jesus and say right to Jesus that Jesus clearly held that homosex was a sin. I will not be condemned by God or Jesus for saying that right here and now.

        You don't know how to read the Gospels and haven't shown any indication that you want to learn. http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/2012/12/31/the-good-samaritan-tells-you-homosex-is-sin.html

        You are a theological ignoramus.

        Rather than come here ignorantly spewing, showing your total lack of reading comprehension, why don't you try learning about righteousness for a change? All you ever want to do is make absolutely wrong excuses for the utter depravity that is homosex.

        You're so defiled and unrepentant that you probably think Jesus was a homosexual himself or at least have said so in the past. I wouldn't be surprised.

        Also, you are opposed to all non-profits asking for donations. You call all non-profits that request donations beggars. All non-profits are not begging. The Real Liberal Christian Church is not begging for money. The Church has devised a true liberal device and has offered for others with repentant and softened (honest) hearts to come together to translate the evil mammon into what will no longer need it. You though probably can't grasp the righteousness in that either. If the worldly fallen world can't grasp it either, it will not benefit from the Christian Commons. It will have shown itself undeserving, and you are part of that problem, not the solution to anything that matters.

        Shame on you. You have zero of the spirit of God showing forth. You spew only darkness, and your mind is in the cesspool.

        You should fall down on your knees to God and beg God to forgive you for your sinful, selfish, misleading ways.

        Jesus definitely said that homosexuality is a sin, and no amount of your failure to understand that will alter it. He was completely opposed to inconsistency that is hypocrisy, so he could not be illogical and consistent at the same time. He was logical and consistent and right that homosexuality, adultery, and fornication were all sins. That's just how it is, and God says so.

        Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD! You don't. You come from Satan. Change before it's too late for you. You don't have long.

        • ZnSD

           blah blah blah. Your CHOSEN religion is a bunch of nonsense. Quit pushing it on everyone else in the world. Also: Your fairytale belief in angels and devils would be cute were you not an adult. GROW UP. There is no god, no heaven, no hell. Only [expletive deleted] like you running around trying to make other people feel either [expletive deleted] or like more self-righteous [expletive deleted] like you. SO how about this: Since you know exactly NOTHING about what it means to be gay, how about you just SHUT THE [expletive deleted] UP ABOUT IT. You've never lived as a gay man, or lesbian, or bisexual. You don't have that life experience: you can't speak to it. Further: you don't LISTEN when we tell you the TRUTH: WE DIDN'T CHOOSE OUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND NEITHER DID YOU. It's patently stupid for you to not only think that my MARRIAGE isn't equivalent to yours, that I'm someone unequal to you simply because we're oriented differently. YOU FAIL AT SCIENCE. You're quite simply: A BIOLOGICAL IGNORAMUS. So put that in your pipe and smoke it, Chester. Also: go [expletive deleted] yourself.

        • In what way am I pushing my religion on anyone? I haven't pushed my religion on a soul. It is you who is pushy.

          I have simply stated the fact that homosexuality is a mental disorder, and you show all the signs of that, clearly. I only offer Christianity. I coerce no one to join.

          You are so behind the times of the homosexual activists who are openly admitting that of course sexual orientation is fluid: http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/2013/01/04/homosexual-activists-openly-admit-change.html

          It is utter nonsense that all homosexuals were born that way. As for choice, I've made clear that abuse and other factors lead and condition the person into the error that is homosexuality. You are a product of such factors. You were also certainly not born homosexual or bi-sexual. You perhaps have a genetic/epigenetic predisposition to succumb more easily to homosexual effects of abuse and/or neglect and/or enticement (iniquitous temptation) to help fill an artificially created void, but that's about as far as it would go -- not born homosexual but created after birth. The only possible exceptions would be so rare that they would make the rule.

          You say I don't know about the science. If you don't know about fluidity of orientation, you've shown yourself to not only be in the dark when it comes to the Holy scripture of Christianity but also nearly devoid, if not completely devoid, of the most fundamental scientific knowledge about homosexuality.

        • Oh, and by the way, I haven't live as a mass murderer, but I can certainly speak to the issue. There are many sins I haven't committed. I don't have to commit every error before I can speak to it, before I can tell others that the behavior is wrong and that they should not fall to it. Do you think Jesus committed every sin before he could call them each a sin?

    • ZnSD

      Oh and by the way: you didn't quote the scripture in which Jesus said something about being gay because IT DOESN'T EXIST. He never said ANYTHING about gay people, gay relationships or equality. WHAT HE DID SAY WAS TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER BUT APPARENTLY YOU CAN'T DO THAT. [expletive deleted].

      • You don't have a clue as to how stupid you sound. You are claiming that even though all people committing adultery or fornication are sinning per Jesus and even though no homosexuals engaging in sex in Jesus's time were ever considered married but were always either committing adultery or fornication that still Jesus didn't say homosexuality was (and still is because his commandments still stand) a sin.

        Look, I realize you know next to nothing about the scripture, next to nothing about the science, and next to nothing about logic, but the inescapable logic of Jesus's extremely logic-based teachings is that he held homosexuality to be a sin and actually said so by way of that logic.

        There's nothing you can do about it. Your homosexual-activist idols blew it when they made the stupid claim that Jesus was silent about the sin of homosexuality.

        Also, he said that marriage is when a man leaves his parents for his female wife. So if you claim to be married to a man, you are sinning in Jesus's words. You are a male who left his parents not for a female wife but to rather have sex with men or a man. That's sinning, per Jesus. There's no way around it.

        Even if Jesus never had existed, you'd still be wrong to be a homosexual. You'd still be wrong to be putting your sexual lust first and foremost over truth, over seeking out the truth as to why you are really the way you are and whether you can change from your wrong position.

        It has nothing to do with my feeling self-righteous, as you put it. I had to repent, just the way you ought to. I'm heading to God. My God is not evil.

        You misunderstand the terms God, Satan, Heaven, Hell, etc. You are not good at figurative/literal thinking. That's why you can't get that Jesus said homosex is wrong because he said adultery and fornication are wrong.

        I'm simply trying to help you, but you're allowing the claws of your fear at leaving iniquity to keep you enslaved and you're barely hearing me but are assigning to me all sorts of things that do not apply. You allow evil to control your tongue so that nothing but foul language comes pouring out of your heart defiling you.

        Try straightening out. God will help you if you don't give up. I'm living proof. If you think that everyone but homosexuals can change, why don't you look into connecting with former homosexuals. There are thousands and thousands of them. I've talked with dozens of them. http://voices-of-change.com/