"10 reasons Christian heaven would actually be hell" is Completely Wrong

This was posted on Facebook by RAWSTORY: 10 reasons Christian heaven would actually be hell. On the RAWSTORY post, it shows that it's a reprint from an AlterNet post of the article by Valerie Tarico.

02011501On the Facebook post, I posted the following comment, which garnered response from one person (so far). I will also include the back and forth to date and may or may not post updates, as I suspect Kirill Pyatetskiy thinks he already knows it all. It would be very refreshing were anyone to actually study to find out.


Tom Usher

Tom Usher: I read the whole article, understood all of it in terms of the points the author attempts to make, learned absolutely nothing from it, and generally disagree with it entirely. The author thinks that I lack imagination while I say the author is one who is stuck in a lower language-state.

The author is very down on Fundamentalists while he ironically approaches the topic utterly literally.

Expand your mind to where you can even begin to discuss this issue intelligently.

Kirill Pyatetskiy: Ok. Why do you need a God to exist in order to function in society?

Tom Usher: You aren't phrasing your question to reflect your intention. Why does one need to believe in a creator before that one functions in society? Atheists function in society. The questions then would be about functioning and society. The article dismisses as hellish functioning (being) in society (Heaven).

So, what's your point? It doesn't appear to me that you have one.

Kirill Pyatetskiy: Do you need a God to be a moral, loving person? If you do, why? I do not. I assume since I function in society, I am in "Heaven?" Except society is not very heavenly. You know, except for the ones that are mostly secular. Explain to me the purpose of religion, if not to control the dim-witted with a bigger bully than they could ever be?

Tom Usher: It is easy for me to think from your perspective. You, however, don't do the same concerning mine. That's because while I can speak your language, you have yet to learn mine. Christianity is a language.

To be moral within the perspective of Christianity, belief in God is necessary. What separates us in the mundane sense here is your concept of morality versus mine. Mine encompasses yours but goes infinitely further. You stop short.

As for functioning: therefore Heaven, your context of Heaven is simultaneously viewing Heaven as a continuum from the worst evil to the greatest good while failing to know the connotation of Heaven as solely the greatest good. I can speak of both contexts and connotations at the same time and not run into any insurmountable paradox and without ignoring anything.

That you hold that the most Heavenly societies are the most secular shows your limited understanding and/or usage of the term "society." In Christianity, Jesus said: "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:20).

To understand that, it is necessary to understand the full meaning of his name. To do that requires study and the ability to grasp concepts that to date for you, are likely completely foreign.

Your assignment of bullying to God is your failure to understand the argument that's unfolded in the scriptures concerning the true nature of God. I suggest you start here: "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (Matthew 7:14)

If you are completely sincere in your desire to know the answers to the questions you've posed rather than assuming you already know, you'll undertake an exhaustive examination of the scriptures. If you do that and are able to grasp the language and then adhere, you'll be following Jesus not into some dystopian nightmare but rather what he said awaits.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." (Matthew 5:3-11)

Hellish, bullying, really? No.

The invention by those who are anti-Christ of the idea that Christianity is only to control the dim-witted is itself dim for if everyone becomes truly Christian, all those blessings will be here on Earth and the whole of society will not be as you say, "society is not very heavenly," but completely Heaven itself, one with.

It will happen. That's faith in certainty: truth.


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    Education: Arizona State University, Bachelor of Science in Political Science. City University of Seattle, graduate studies in Public Administration.

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