"10 reasons Christian heaven would actually be hell" is Completely Wrong

This was posted on Facebook by RAWSTORY: 10 reasons Christian heaven would actually be hell. On the RAWSTORY post, it shows that it's a reprint from an AlterNet of the article by Valerie Tarico.

02011501On the Facebook post, I posted the following comment, which garnered response from one person (so far). I will also include the back and forth to date and may or may not post updates, as I suspect Kirill Pyatetskiy thinks he already knows it all. It would be very refreshing were anyone to actually study to find out.


Tom Usher

Tom Usher: I read the whole article, understood all of it in terms of the points the author attempts to make, learned absolutely nothing from it, and generally disagree with it entirely.The author thinks that I lack imagination while I say the author is one who is stuck in a lower language-state.

The author is very down on Fundamentalists while he ironically approaches the topic utterly literally.

Expand your mind to where you can even begin to discuss this issue intelligently.

Kirill Pyatetskiy: Ok. Why do you need a God to exist in order to function in society?

Tom Usher: You aren't phrasing your question to reflect your intention. Why does one need to believe in a creator before that one functions in society? Atheists function in society. The questions then would be about functioning and society. The article dismisses as hellish functioning (being) in society (Heaven).

So, what's your point? It doesn't appear to me that you have one.

Kirill Pyatetskiy: Do you need a God to be a moral, loving person? If you do, why? I do not. I assume since I function in society, I am in "Heaven?" Except society is not very heavenly. You know, except for the ones that are mostly secular. Explain to me the purpose of religion, if not to control the dim-witted with a bigger bully than they could ever be?

Tom Usher: It is easy for me to think from your perspective. You, however, don't do the same concerning mine. That's because while I can speak your language, you have yet to learn mine. Christianity is a language.

To be moral within the perspective of Christianity, belief in God is necessary. What separates us in the mundane sense here is your concept of morality versus mine. Mine encompasses yours but goes infinitely further. You stop short.

As for functioning: therefore Heaven, your context of Heaven is simultaneously viewing Heaven as a continuum from the worst evil to the greatest good while failing to know the connotation of Heaven as solely the greatest good. I can speak of both contexts and connotations at the same time and not run into any insurmountable paradox and without ignoring anything.

That you hold that the most Heavenly societies are the most secular shows your limited understanding and/or usage of the term "society." In Christianity, Jesus said: "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:20).

To understand that, it is necessary to understand the full meaning of his name. To do that requires study and the ability to grasp concepts that to date for you, are likely completely foreign.

Your assignment of bullying to God is your failure to understand the argument that's unfolded in the scriptures concerning the true nature of God. I suggest you start here: "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (Matthew 7:14)

If you are completely sincere in your desire to know the answers to the questions you've posed rather than assuming you already know, you'll undertake an exhaustive examination of the scriptures. If you do that and are able to grasp the language and then adhere, you'll be following Jesus not into some dystopian nightmare but rather what he said awaits.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." (Matthew 5:3-11)

Hellish, bullying, really? No.

The invention by those who are anti-Christ of the idea that Christianity is only to control the dim-witted is itself dim for if everyone becomes truly Christian, all those blessings will be here on Earth and the whole of society will not be as you say, "society is not very heavenly," but completely Heaven itself, one with.

It will happen. That's faith in certainty: truth.

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Focus on Obama's Big Lie Use! Ukraine chief of staff "thwarts Western allegations" by admitting no combat with Russian troops — RT News

01311502Ukraine chief of staff ‘thwarts Western allegations’ by admitting no combat with Russian troops — RT News states the news that broke two days ago and concerning which I briefly commented in social media. I want to focus attention though on Barack Obama concerning this.

First, "Chief of the General Staff – Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine – Viktor Muzhenko officially acknowledged during a briefing for foreign military attachées that Russian troops are not involved in the fighting in the country's southeast." The Kiev General was referring to regular Russian military troops operating under Russian command. Russia has all along openly stated that Russian men, including soldiers, have volunteered to fight in Donbass for the DPR and not as ordered to by Russia or even as volunteers called by the Russian military to do so.

The article mentions some weasel words of Sergey Galushko claiming in a mad-scramble damage-control statement that the alleged Russian troops are in a “second echelon.” Well, we are supposed to believe that some 9,000 Russian regulars are fighting in Donbass but not on the frontline and not in Russian uniforms with Russian insignias, etc. However, note the following very carefully:

The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) said it has not registered any movement of military vehicles at the Russia-Ukraine border checkpoints it observes, according to a statement made on January 22.

We were told that both troops and heavy weapons rolled across the border after the onset of the recent counter-attacks by the DPR Army.

Now, if the equipment didn't move, then why are we supposed to believe the Russian troops did? If they lied about the equipment, then they've perjured themselves. They've born false witness to the world, and Barack Obama is the biggest offender in it.

Barack Obama stated emphatically words in direct support of Poroshenko's claims about Russian troops and equipment pouring into Donbass. Obama made zero qualifying statements to cast any doubt on Poroshenko's completely unsubstantiated claims (at least half of which is shown by the OSCE to be a flat-out lie).

Look, Barack Obama has been engaging in the Big Lie tactic: repeating a falsehood so often that even with others attempting to counter it, it catches on with the dupes and minions and is accepted by the masses as truth. It's manufactured consent based upon pure lies, just as with George W. Bush's use of the fake yellow cake memo to get the American public to swing to supporting invading Iraq.

Obama had been trying to use the same tactic concerning Iran's nuclear program, but after being hammered about it in social media from people such as yours truly, he finally saw the light and distanced himself from the die-hard Big Lie employer, Benjamin Netanyahu.

Well, Obama is going to have to be pressed on the Big Lies being employed concerning Ukraine.

The truth of the matter is that this whole Ukraine problem is completely the cause of the greed of Western plutocrats who want global control so they may have all the more private wealth, power, and control and to hell with the masses (who are only there to serve those plutocrat masters).

You may find that a stretch, but that would be because you don't understand the nature of the "democracy" we are suffering under. It is a controlled democracy. The plutocrats have assumed control and only allow to happen what they want to happen within a very narrow range of possibilities, including real democracy. The plutocrats, via their corporations and such, flood politics with money and favors to the point where nobody really rises beyond a certain point without acquiescing to the plutocrats plan for the world.

Since the 1970's especially, the plutocrats have clamped down more and more in this regard to the point where now, it would take a revolution to dislodge them. Reform from within via the typical US election will not get them out. This is because politicians cannot stand up telling the unvarnished and whole truth and survive the onslaught and censorship and false counter-claims accompanied by more money and promises and deals made with corrupt politicians.

This does not mean that all is hopeless or that violent revolution is the only way. What it does mean is that you have to stop ostensibly ignoring what I'm saying but rather openly support it and spread it. More than anything, that's what Obama's handlers don't want. If you cave in to them because you are afraid of the evil they will do to you, they'll have you. You'll have lost your soul. That's what they're counting on.

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The Real Debate Over Israel's ‘Jewish Nation-State’ Bill | The Nation

01311501This article cuts through the weak, pathetic, transparent plausible-deniability attempts by those who are more fearful of being exposed for what they are than is Benjamin Netanyahu.

...the Netanyahu government’s goal is to make Jewish supremacy apparent and to make Arab citizens explicitly inferior—both in the Arabs’ own eyes and in the eyes of Jews. As such, the Nation-State legislation is anti-Arab and racist at its core.

For these reasons, the debate between the two camps is not about whether discrimination should or should not be stopped, but rather about how to continue it.

Source: The Real Debate Over Israel's ‘Jewish Nation-State’ Bill | The Nation.

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