On Donald Trump, Jr. and Russia, Russia, Russia

What happened concerning Donald Trump, Jr.'s meeting with a Russia lawyer was not illegal. "There is one final law to be considered. Under the Federal Election Campaign Act, soliciting and/or receiving foreign donations is prohibited (11 CFR 110.20). This includes “money or other thing of value.” Is information, by itself, a “thing of value?” One could attempt to make that argument, but it has never been interpreted that way." (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/11/gregg-jarrett-donald-trump-jr-has-broken-no-law.html)

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Tom Usher

If you want to make the argument that it was illegal, you'll have to face applying it, including retroactively, to all candidates. If you think Hillary Clinton did not hold any meetings with any non-US citizens/nationals where she knew she'd be hearing information (of value) to further her campaign, your crystal ball is better than mine.

You can't arbitrarily decide when to apply a standard (including a new interpretation or application) and remain credible.

Are you really willing to take down every Democrat too whose campaign included anyone who ever met during that campaign with a non-US citizen/national to obtain valuable information for the campaign? I'm not.

More importantly and not covered by Gregg Jarrett, there was no solicitation (or receipt).

See: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20 and https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/300.2

I've read both and see no way to prevail using the position that either the emails or meeting was illegal.

Here's something else for you to ponder while you're at it. What if the lawyer had supplied proof positive of major law breaking by Hillary Clinton, so major and so condemnable by both sides of the aisle, that she'd not only have had to withdraw from the race but would have definitely faced criminal charges, conviction, and sentencing to a long prison term? Would you claim that the Trump campaign broke the law obtaining it in the meeting between Trump and the lawyer?

Supplying actual evidence of any important illegal activity (above the level of infrequent, minor infractions) by any candidate for public office is "meddling" I more than welcome from any nation's government.

If it is ever declared illegal for a candidate or campaign in the US to accept and disseminate such evidence, you can be sure that declaration is a criminal-protection declaration at the direct and negative expense of what little democracy we have.

How could a candidate be working to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States while knowingly concealing the important illegal dealings of that candidate's election opponent, illegal dealings that, depending upon the nature of the crimes(s), could constitute plotting the violent overthrow of the Constitution? Some laws trump others. In the secular state of the US, we start at the top (the US Constitution) as the law that trumps all others. Concealing such illegality would constitute aiding and abetting by simply keeping silent about it. That would certainly be a greater legal infraction than any violation being claimed against Trump, Jr. right now.

The above constitutes a lightly edited compilation of various social-media commentary of mine over the last several days.

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No, Jonathan Chait, We Don't Have a Road Map to the Trump Campaign’s Collusion With Russia

The idiocy of this article (Now We Have a Road Map to the Trump Campaign’s Collusion With Russia, by Jonathan Chait) would be astounding were it not for the fact that idiocy is the norm these days.

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Tom Usher

Look, the article says the emails may or may not have been from "Russia" while also saying that they were from Russia. What is going on? Is it that everyone is smoking grass or taking acid or what?

That's just one glaring aspect. It happens all the time. When it's pointed out, many act as if they just don't care so long as it's anti-Trump.

Even more important is the fact that if the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia, then why in the world would the campaign not know the source of the emails and whether that source is credible in terms of actually having email the Russians also supposedly hacked right from Hillary Clinton or her email recipients, etc.?

Look, if Vladimir Putin ordered Clinton be hacked and then Putin's government said to the Trump campaign colluding with Putin that the Russia government has Hillary's emails and will give them to the Trump campaign, why would the Trump campaign not trust Putin and, more importantly, why would the Trump campaign not use its own cyber experts (you do realize Trump had, and has, computer whizzes, right?) to check the authenticity of the emails themselves? In addition, the Trump campaign could simply have submitted them to WikiLeaks, who would have done the heavy lifting on authentication for them.

Lastly, no such emails ever surfaced. The only emails anyone ever got were leaked via other means. Hillary's "legal" team destroyed the rest before the FBI could even see them (if the FBI even ever asked to see them: the ones destroyed before they were destroyed).

The article is nothing but quite wild speculation/propaganda, but what's new?

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Will those who trumpeted the lies apologize for doing so?

The professional liars have been exposed again and again and again.... Will those who trumpeted the lies apologize for doing so? The honorable ones certainly will. When the consensus becomes that lying to bring people down is wrong, then there will be a basis for real hope for the People.

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Tom Usher

Framing the consensus as the result of 17 separate analyses was just as obviously wrong in October as now in June. It’s always been clear that intel agencies run by the Coast Guard or the Department of Energy would not be expected to investigate and weigh in on an election hacking attempt.

The former director of national intelligence, James Clapper, said as much in a May Senate hearing. The Daily Caller News Foundation also addressed the claim in a fact check of a Hillary Clinton interview after she again reiterated it in May.

(Associated Press Corrects Big Falsehood In Four Trump-Russia Reports)

If the truth comes out from the left or right, good. Just be consistent. If you're on the left, don't knowingly let those on the left lie and get away with it. If you're on the right, don't knowingly let those on the right lie and get away with it. If neither side does that, if neither side stops the lies on both sides, then woe to both houses. Both will fall.

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