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    • Man from the East

      Dear Sisters & Brothers,



      I regret to inform you that we Christians have been deceived into believing a false Christ named Jesus who was in fact Lucifer himself! It was a great deception carefully hatched by the intelligent fallen angels.

      And now it was time to reveal the ultimate truth: The name "Jesus" if counted using a simple arithmetic, is "666" and so was the "cross" which was being placed on the forehead and on the right hand of the unwitting people! Same is true with the word "Gospel" and incredibly with the name "Muhammad", "Al Jumuah" and finally the very name of "Lucifer"!

      Now this is no more coincidence but a carefully orchestrated scheme to deceive the whole world and mark the people with the "666" mark of the Beast (Lucifer) who was so wise that he was able to deceive even the elect (some Jews)!

      And you know what? you're not only worshipping a man but in fact worshipping the Devil! The stories in the satanic book of Gospel are

      full of lies. It was written to make Lucifer who had changed his name to Jesus equal to god which was actually his goal from the beginning!

      If you know the story of the "The Emperor's New Clothes" you will know what I mean. It was all a charade. And don't be fooled by the show of seeming righteousness for this is a necessary thing for the devil to do, like a tool he just merely using it to cloak himself like a wolf in sheep clothing!

      I have accidentally discovered this counting formula: Starting with the letter A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, and so on up to Z=26, multiply each number by 9 (6+6+6=18, 1+8=9) and you got the constants for each letter. That's it.

      Now if you think this is outrageous, read again the Book of Revelation, Jesus himself said: "... I am the bright "MORNING STAR..." (i.e., this is a symbol of Satan!)

      I am really sorry for offending you but I have no choice: Damn if I do, damn if I don't!

      Now don't panic, pray to God Almighty who is the one and only true God for guidance and strength to overcome this great shock!

      I have warned you...

      Take care,

      Man from the east

      (Pinoy Genius)

    • Hello Man from the East,

      Spare us. Only an idiot judges Jesus by this alphanumeric system of yours. His name literally means "God Saves."

      We judge by deeds that come out from the heart. If we all behave in a Christlike manner, we will live the very best existence possible. Everyone knows that. We will rise to be One. Only fools would think Jesus came to usurp God. Have you read the Gospels? There is nothing there that supports what you've written, quite the contrary.

      Why don't you reveal your true identity? You have been too afraid to step out from the dark? What despicable behavior are you hoping to preserve in which you are engaging?

      Name one thing Jesus did that was evil and explain how so; otherwise, learn to hold your foolish, wicked thoughts.

      You have a lot of nerve calling yourself a genius.

    • Man from the East

      Only a MORON and a hopeless BLINDFOOL, don't understand what I've clearly explained above.

      Jesus says many evil sayings. In fact he swears, he curses and he told a lie.

      First he said: "YOU FOOLS!, YOU VIPERS!" Is this a saying of a holy man?

      Second, he cursed a Fig Tree that was not really supposed to bear fruit since it is out of season! Jesus is being unreasonable and showing sign of being a fool and an arrogant by cursing a helpless tree!

      Third, he insinuates that being a liar is good for us specially when we are found out by our bosses that we have done something wrong.

      Fourth, just cut your hand and gouge out your eye when you've committed a sin.

      Fifth, he said it himself that he didn't bring peace but war. Is that what a true prophesied Christ should bring?

      Sixth, don't call any man here father... If so then what should we call our father? Papa?

      Seventh, Jesus calls his mother "woman"! He is being disrepectful!

      I've no more time... till then. Think, you fool!

      My identity is not important but my message of warning!

    • Hello Man from the East,

      You're wasting my time. You attack Jesus for calling people names when you've come here calling people names. That makes you a hypocrite.

      The people he said were being foolish were being foolish. As for the term, "viper," you don't understand what it means within the biblical context. Use a concordance. Trace the use of the word. Put it in context. The way he used it was perfectly appropriate. It was telling. It was instructive. The Pharisees should have repentant, as you should also.

      As for the fig tree, you don't know what the fig tree is. Neither do you understand to whom it belonged. You don't understand the season. For a genius, you sure do miss the points. Helpless tree? It was not a helpless tree. It was the state. Wake up.

      He did not insinuate that being a liar is good. Work on your reading comprehension. He was talking about the evil generation and not the righteous. Read it again without the chip on your shoulder.

      Jesus did not say to just cut your hand ... when you've committed a sin. He said being righteous, behaving properly, is more important than parts of your flesh body.

      He did not say he brought war. He said he brought division. He came to divide the sheep from the goats. You really need to study before attempting to sway others. Your arguments and points are all worthless — baseless misreadings. They show a huge lack of careful consideration.

      How many connotations are there for the word "father"? What he was saying is that your flesh father is not the source. Are you a materialist? You speak as if there is no spirit. God is spirit, and we are to worship God in spirit as the Father. By the way, Jesus called God, "Papa." That's "Abba." Get with it.

      You wrote, "Seventh, Jesus calls his mother “woman”! He is being disrepectful!" This is coming from someone who has come here with nothing but disrespect. He was speaking to her about being premature and making decisions about where and when he ought to use God's power. He's the one who had to prepare to go to the cross. He died for the sake of everyone coming to learn what the real oneness is about.

      You're allowing yourself to be nothing but hard-hearted. Where is your compassion for all those upon whom Jesus showed compassion? He healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, made the lame to walk, and so much more. He fed the five thousand with five loaves of bread and had more left over than when he started. Can you do that?

      You say, "My identity is not important but my message of warning!" Your identity is apostate. We all know who you are — trying to tempt people from the shadows to fall into iniquity. You hate Jesus because he rebukes you while you are unwilling to admit your sins. You better do your soul-searching before it's too late. You better get right with God. Right now, you're working overtime for the devil.

      You came here to mislead and failed miserably. Get thee behind me.

      May God bless you with the real truth.

      Tom Usher

    • Man from the East

      It is you sir who started name calling and you even maligned me.

      You're trying to change the topic which is about the number of the name of Jesus being equal to 666! (Refer to the Book of Revelation 13:18.) And you tried to twist the truth by interpreting the sayings of Jesus to conform to your false belief.

      Think about this: Confusion is the work of the devil, and if Jesus is truly the light of this world and wants to save the world, then why the hell did he spake in Parables? Simple answer: So that people will be confused!

      Have you read the whole Bible? What about Romans Chapter 11? If the Jews didn't believed in Jesus then why is it that "...ALL ISRAEL shall be saved"?

      Now answer this, have you tried to count the number of the Beast?

      Here let me show you:

      LUCIFER = 666

      JESUS = 666

      CROSS = 666

      GOSPEL = 666

      MESSIAH = 666

      MUHAMMAD = 666

      AL JUMUAH = 666

      And all these results from the same mathematical formula that I've showed you.

      Do you still think this is merely a coincidence you blindfool.

    • Man from the East

      Is Jesus God? If so, then how many is God? Two? Three?

      And to whom was Jesus praying to?

      The true God Almighty said: "there is no other God beside me".

    • Hello Man from the East,

      Firstly, you came here saying, "...we Christians have been deceived into believing a false Christ named Jesus who was in fact Lucifer himself!" Now, you aren't a Christian. You aren't entitled to say "we Christians" since you aren't one of us. Secondly, you called Jesus "Lucifer." You assigned the name of Lucifer to Jesus. Of course, we've all already seen that you are not one for thinking in more than one context at a time. We know the context you mean when you say Jesus is Lucifer. You are using the name Lucifer as equal to the devil or Satan. You even called Jesus "Satan."

      I don't have endless time to deal with you, and I'm not going to give you endless time. I will though point out your fundamental errors for your sake (to a point) and for the sakes of visitors.

      Lucifer means "bringer of light." "Light" has a number of connotations. One of them is truth. Jesus came with the truth. There are though false-Christs and false-bringers of light. There are those who set themselves up as gods. Nebuchadnezzar II was one such person. He was called Lucifer, but he was false. That's the point. Nebuchadnezzar II was the false morning star. Jesus is the true morning star. Work it out.

      As for name calling, I didn't say there is anything wrong with name calling. You did. You complained that Jesus was sinning when he told the Pharisees that they were vipers. They were acting like vipers. That's the point. There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade. In fact, it's required to warm them away from their wrong path. Then we let it be. If the shoe fits....

      Do you hold with the Pharisees against Jesus? Do you hold with their hypocrisy and conspiracy against him to murder him (have him murdered by the state that kept them)? I don't and never will.

      When Jesus was teaching in parable form and he was saying how people had assumed to themselves power that they ought not have and that they were denying the Son of God his rightful inheritance, the Pharisees self-identified with the evil ones in the parable. The shoe fit. They hated seeing themselves in the parable, but more importantly, they feared that others would see them in it too and no longer follow them and support them. Jesus was right. Also, Jesus was giving them fair warning and rebuking them rightly. They were wrong. He was and remains right. That's the way it is. If you don't like it, you can knock at the Pharisees' gate in the afterlife (death and Hell) to see if they will take you in, since you won't be joining Jesus in Paradise with his Father and mine.

      As for my having maligned you, I have in no way harmed you. It is for you to repent. I have told you rightly. It is your choice as to whether or not you accept the truth and benefit or reject it. You have not put the slightest mark on me.

      I have changed no topic nor have I sought to. The subject is not confined to your formula. You don't set the bounds here.

      Listen, a super computer and some programmers could come up with your name and mine and all the names you've mentioned as equaling 666 via so many formulae that it would be imbecilic to let the computer keep running the program. It would prove nothing, just as you've proved nothing. The formula used in Revelations was the one used at the time. It wasn't a formula yet to be discovered or put into use. Using the formula in Aramaic, which was one of the linguae francae and the everyday language of Jesus and the common Jews, 666 means "Nero Caesar." I don't recommend the Wikipedia as the end-all-be-all, but it does have a fairly descent article on the "Number of the Beast." If you think your formula is worthy, go add it there.

      You can play with such things endlessly. I'm not opposed to research. I studied gematria years ago. Regardless of whether or not it was 666 or 616 or if 666 meant Nero or "Gaius Caligula Caesar" (another despicable, demonic ruler), there is no doubt that Nero and the utterly disgusting Caligula were set up as gods by the state. The Caesars were deified by the Roman Empire. However, they were not divine. It is obvious that Roman Emperors often did great evils and severely persecuted those who would not conform to their whims.

      Jesus was a threat in their minds — a threat to the evil, greedy, violent, depraved Empire and the Sanhedrin that was under Caesar's thumb, just as now.

      You wrote of me that I "tried to twist the truth by interpreting the sayings of Jesus to conform to your false belief." Hogwash. Everything I said is clearly supported. It is you who don't know how to read him. You have admitted that you are confused by his parables. I'm not.

      Think about this: Confusion is the work of the devil, and if Jesus is truly the light of this world and wants to save the world, then why the hell did he spake in Parables? Simple answer: So that people will be confused!

      Wrong! He taught in parables so the common people would hear the word and see the light in those stories. They picked up on his language (the language of the revelation) while the self-styled intellectuals of the day scrambled around in their materialism and hypocrisy trying to keep the people down, just as they do now. The thousands and thousands who followed him were not confused. They got it. The self-styled geniuses are the ones who were confused, just as you are now.

      What do you think the following means. Interpret for us:

      Shall not all these take up a parable against him, and a taunting proverb against him, and say, Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay!

      As for Romans 11:26, Israel will turn to Jesus. That's what it means. He's referring specifically to a remnant. God will save Israel's remnant that come to believe in Jesus Christ.

      You attempt to use Paul against Jesus. You're backwards.

      You don't understand the oneness of spirit. God is spirit — one spirit. If anyone has the spirit of God (righteousness; real righteousness) dwelling within, then that one is of God and one with God. Are you one with your family? Is your family a single entity? The spiritual family of God is one.

      You dwell on the mundane level. Open your heart to the downtrodden. Where is your concern? Where is your compassion? Where is your spirit of forgiveness?

      Jesus rebuked and rejected Satan who tempted him. How can he be Satan? He cast out devils. Are you with the hypocritical Pharisees who said he cast out devils by being the devil? Jesus already defeated their argument. They were left speechless. Unlike you, at least they knew when they had lost the argument. They didn't keep speaking against him in public because they didn't want to continue to be embarrassed by always being shown up by the greater light of Jesus.

      Look, if you're going to hold to your position, go elsewhere. You have no part in us nor we in you. You are working to preserve some false authorization for some wickedness you are doing or want to do or want to excuse that you've done. You are avoiding apologizing for your errors.

      I'm not asking for some public line-by-line confession from you. I'm saying that you need to search your soul about your own sins. You need to ask God.

      God will tell you that Jesus was and is absolutely right. God will tell you that you've been wrong here in everything you've put forth.

      God bless everyone in the Universe with the message of Jesus Christ.

      Tom Usher

      P.S. Your use of all caps and endless exclamation marks was altered. Nothing but all caps and exclamation marks is bad form. Use them sparingly.

    • Man from the East

      You are being pathetic and absolutely a big liar! You're putting words on other's mouth and even on God's mouth! Your false belief is really great!

      The Book of Revelation were given for the future generation and not on the time of its writing and the future is now! And in that case, if you have remaining logic and wisdom in you, should understand that English Alphabet is the dominant language in this present evil world.

      As for the sayings of Jesus speaking in parables, why did you hide his reason for saying in such manner? He explain it thus, "...that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand." Luke 8:10.

      Now how could you say that I don't have compassion for the poor and the downtrodden? Have you known me?

      Have you talked to God and God talked to you?

      Who are you to judge me?

      As with regard to the story of Jesus rebuking Lucifer, it was all a charade and in fact Jesus was referring to one of his disciple when he rebuked Satan.

      How many times do I have to tell you? It was only written by the writers of the Satanic "Gospel" Books!

      Now tell me, who wrote the Book of Mathew? And when was the Gospel Books written if you really knew?

      You see, you don't know!

      All you are bragging about is your BLIND FAITH!

      Now no other mathematical formula can produce or even equal the names that I have given you.

      You are being narrow minded when you tried to count the name of an ordinary man who is not famous around the world and is not even a prophet.

      Have you got a remaining understanding in you or you have been totally blinded by the dazzling light of Lucifer who had just changed his name to Jesus?

      Read again the story of the Book of Gospel and read between the lines for your sake!

      I've been a Christian before and you have no right to judge me, only God!

    • Man from the East

      I don't want to waste my time and patience with the illogical man like you Mr. Usher. You are totally blinded to see the truth!

      Let me just leave this with you to ponder:

      When Jesus arrived and Christianity became famous, what happened to the world?

      Did the world became peaceful?

      Can't you see, all the good things that Jesus promised are only good when you're dead?!

      I rest my case...


    • Hello Man from the East,

      You make claims but don't back them up. You also avoid answering direct questions.

      I didn't hide Jesus's reason for speaking in parables. The answer he gave and the answer I gave mean the same thing. It's just lost on you because the parables confuse you, just as you said they do.

      I asked you where your compassion is. I didn't say you didn't have any? You read that in all by yourself. You came here to say Jesus is Satan, but Jesus was for the downtrodden (not the evil ones who wanted to rise to lord it over others but those who were downtrodden yet held onto righteousness and faith). If you are for the downtrodden and you are full of compassion, how can you call Jesus "Satan"? Is Satan for the downtrodden? Is Satan full of compassion, as was Jesus? Make up your mind.

      "As with regard to the story of Jesus rebuking Lucifer, it was all a charade...." That's really weak. It was all a charade you say because of all the stock you've put into your numerology. Have you seen how many formulas there are out there? Have you studied all the different mathematical interpretations about the prophecies? Many of them are tighter than yours, but they disagree with each other and with yours. You've accomplished nothing of value. Your formula is worthless. If you want to lose your soul over it, that's your mistake to make. I'm not going with you.

      You think I don't know who wrote the Book of Matthew or when and that tells you what? Does it tell you that it isn't a Gospel written in accordance with remembrances of one named Matthew?

      Do you know the exact second that you posted your first comment on this site? Does that mean you didn't do it? I read huge quantities of things the dates of which I don't know exactly. I also read things that have an author's name, but that doesn't mean that that's the name of the person who thought it all up. That though doesn't prove the work right or wrong or that I'm right or wrong for agreeing with it or finding truth in it.

      I'm not the one who's illogical here. It's you. You are not more logical than I am, far from it.

      Rather than interpreting the passage I gave you, you asked an inconsequential question. Your question is irrelevant. It proves nothing.

      Again, interpret:

      Shall not all these take up a parable against him, and a taunting proverb against him, and say, Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay!

      "Bragging," What did I brag about? You're the one who termed himself a Filipino "genius." It isn't bragging to disagree with you. It doesn't take much. I don't need to be puffed up to see the error of your chosen path. It isn't through the strait gate or up the narrow way.

      I don't have blind faith. I know Jesus stood for real love, peace, beneficence, sexual purity, justice, and all the rest of the good. You just can't see it. You're crouching off in the dark, and the light hurts your eyes.

      You say, "Now no other mathematical formula can produce or even equal the names that I have given you." That's a stupid, sweeping statement. It's way over your head.

      You avoid saying whether you agree or disagree concerning all the questions I asked you.

      You wrote, "I’ve been a Christian before..." You were never a Christian. You never had it.

      Well, you go to your god and I'll go to mine.

      You asked, "When Jesus arrived and Christianity became famous, what happened to the world?" Read this site, mister afraid-to-come-out-of-the-shadows. The answer is here. Real Christianity never became famous. Real Christianity was suppressed almost from the very start by wicked people who were greedy, violent, and depraved.

      The prophecy isn't finished.

      You say, "Can’t you see, all the good things that Jesus promised are only good when you’re dead?!"

      Wrong. The Christian spirit is alive, and people show lovingkindness to even total strangers everyday as a direct consequence. One day, the whole world will be born anew conflated with the new Heaven. How will you be there unless you repent of all the evil things you've alleged against Jesus Christ — the greatest teacher and exemplar known to humanity?

      You hid yourself. You fear exposure. Your way cannot withstand open scrutiny. You don't have the courage of your convictions.

      Don't tell me what I have the right to judge or to discern. God judges no man, per Jesus Christ. Neither do I. I haven't condemned. I'm not the one who's going to punish. I'm not about coercion. Neither was Jesus.

      Jesus is my brother, and I love him. He's the greatest. There is nothing written in the New Testament about Jesus of which I am ashamed in the slightest. I back him on everything he said and did.

      You have nothing to offer but the wide path to Hell.

      You come here trying to put down Jesus. You failed miserably, and you have nothing to offer anyone that is even remotely as good as what Jesus taught and showed. You can't touch his Sermon on the Mount. You haven't a clue.

      Your heart is hard, cold, small, and you're out to license to do harm to others; otherwise, you'd love Jesus. It's as simple as that.

      You better get right with God.

      I have no more time for you unless you turn. Pray.

      Tom Usher

    • Jesus Christ Forums covers this topic. There are a number of errors in the comments about Lucifer (due to limited biblical versions; translations), but it can stimulate those who have never considered such matters.

      Google search results may be helpful.

    • Hello All,

      Don't blame Jesus for the lack of peace in the world. He preached and did peace. Don't get confused about the sword (of truth). Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34.) It does divide. Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division. (Luke 12:51.) Those who reject the truth turn to violence. They are not worthy. They are not of the sons of peace. And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house. And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again. (Luke 10:5-6.) It isn't Jesus's fault that people rejected him and continued going to war against each other.

      The Jews were warlike at the end of Moses reign and extremely so through Joshua's (different spelling or transliteration of "Jesus"). "[T]hey [the Jews] utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." (Joshua 6:21.) That was the pattern they followed concerning "the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites." (Joshua 3:10; Deuteronomy 7:1.) King David was a man of war too who had blood on his hands and was therefore not allowed to build the first Temple. His son, Solomon, had to do it. They were all a mixture. They weren't the worst men of their times if the historical narrative of The Bible is to be believed. It's a matter of faith. Whom do you trust and why? Jesus though came and taught a different message. That's clear and plain to see.

      Jesus warned them that the Romans would come and smash them if they didn't repent. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (Luke 21:24.) They didn't repent, and the Romans came and smashed them. It's the pattern in The Bible. It's a major lesson. It's a teaching theme. Don't repeat the error. Don't go wrong, but if you do, repent and atone. If you don't repent and atone, you bring only greater Hell to Earth. That's what Jesus was imparting among so many other things (infinite).

      Jesus was an emotionally connected man. He felt the movement of the Holy Spirit as none had before him or since that I can tell. He knew why people were suffering and were in pain. He knew that it was all on account of evil. He knew that people became selfish, greedy, violent, and depraved. He knew that there were those who were more given to that than were others. He knew that people can't be forced to be good. They must accept the truth that is the absence of violence for that truth to stick. The people are sorted by their own spirits, thoughts, words, and deeds and degree of consistency that follow.

      Jesus's warnings were as plain and clear as could be. He cleansed the Temple as a warning.

      And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it. And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him because all the people was astonished at his doctrine. And when even was come, he went out of the city. And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. — Mark 11:13-26

      It foreshadowed what happened and why when the Romans came and leveled the placed. The fig tree he cursed was also foreshadowing.

      When Jesus fed the five thousand on five loaves and two fishes and had more bread leftover than the five loaves he started with, the five thousand men (along with their woman and children) were able thusly to be fed because there was little doubt in them about the source who is God. The fig tree though had refused to follow the movement of the Holy Spirit. When Jesus did his other miracles, the elements and other life forms cooperated. They yielded to his righteousness, to his faith, to God. The fig tree refused. It was rebellious. When Jesus came to preach the righteousness of serving each other, the state refused. It was and remains rebellious against what is truly right to do. The fig tree withered and died. The state (the Sanhedrin) was smashed by the Romans. The Romans were likewise later smashed.

      Jesus was right. Those of the Sanhedrin who refused to follow the right teaching leading to greater and greater and the greatest of righteousness, were smashed and are dead while Jesus yet lives forever.

      Turning to another point in the comment thread:

      The Lucifer connotations are difficult for people. The line that divides is fine or not there at all for those who stand too far back. There is Lucifer and then there is Lucifer. There is the real or true bread from God in Heaven. Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. (John 6:32.) There is the common bread we eat for our fleshly lives, and there is the manna that fell from the sky. When one speaks of Lucifer, to which "bringer of light" is that one referring, the fake or the true?

      People have set themselves up as the source since the first man who dominated by brute force and connivance. Nimrod is a prime example. He was the king of Shinar, grandson of Ham, great-grandson of Noah. Ham was incestuous and a sodomite toward Noah his father. Noah cursed Canaan (Ham's son and Nimrod's uncle) on account of it. Make the connection with Moses and Joshua exterminating those in the land of Canaan before them.

      And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. — Genesis 10:8-10

      Also, make the connection with the Tower of Babel. Nimrod started building it to rise higher than the floodwaters of the great flood. He possibly had anti-God, humanist leanings. (Not all humanists are anti-God though.) According to Josephus, Nimrod taught his people that it was through their own efforts that they had anything. This directly contradicts Jesus's teaching and demonstration via Jesus's feeding of the five thousand. This whole building of the Tower is to be remembered when ever technology is considered, also humanism, secularism, and confusion (since the people building the tower couldn't communicate sufficiently to get the job done). It's all part of the concept of cooperation and harmlessness. The concepts all tie together.

      And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. — Genesis 11:1-9

      "...nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." That's the problem today. People are bringing forth whatever they can imagine. If all they were to imagine were Heavenly things (peaceful), it would be fine. However, they are imagining the most horrific things (weapons, diseases, etc.) and bringing forth those wicked things from out of their confused, selfish emotional states.

      Jesus though said serve each other. He washed their feet. If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. (John 13:14.) He was last. But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. (Matthew 19:30.) That's not what Satan represents. Satan represents all that is against the direction Jesus preached and did.

      There is the Lucifer who came into the world as a tabula rasa. He was a clean slate. Experientially however, he was tempted and he fell. Now, the question is, will he get back? The Lucifer none of us ought to want to be is the one who falls but doesn't turn, repent, and atone. That one is the hardhearted one who falls never to be seen again and whose spirit none of us ought to laud. A prime example given in The Bible is the Pharaoh who argued with and refused to cooperate with Moses. He wouldn't free the Jews. Nebuchadnezzar II is another prime example. He swallowed up many nations by the sword. Isaiah referred to him as "Lucifer, son of the morning!" Isaiah immediately added, "[H]ow art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" (Isaiah 14:12.) That's the King James Version.

      For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? — Isaiah 14:13-17

      The New American Standard Bible (NASB; praised for its textual accuracy) has it as, "O star of the morning, son of the dawn!" It doesn't use the term "Lucifer." Nevertheless, the "star of the morning" is another way of saying "Lucifer" within certain contexts. Lucifer is Venus, the planet that rises before the Sun. It's symbolic. This is figurative language. The Bible is loaded with it. If one doesn't soften one's heart to learn the language, one will forever remain confused about what we are supposed to be doing.

      Now, the point Isaiah was making is that there was Nebuchadnezzar, the king of the world at the time, meaning the most powerful king {most powerful head for a little while of the multi-headed beast (worldly Empire), the biggest horn, etc.}. He was all-powerful in the eyes of his subjects who were deceived. It becomes plain to see when Nebuchadnezzar is driven insane and to the lowest state or condition. He was reduced because of his unrighteousness.

      On the contrary though, Jesus was reduced on account of his, Jesus's, righteousness; and in fact, Jesus was thusly glorified. That's a difficult thing for most people to grasp (connect). How can being crucified be glorifying? He braved it for all those who would benefit by his message being put to the fore. Think about it.

      The prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32) is an example of another Lucifer type. That one left and wasted his inheritance, but he returned humbled and wiser. He saw the light and the error of his ways. He apologized. He was forgiven and accepted back. It was a joyous occasion. He was not the bad one who fell but refused to learn his lesson. Now, the parallels aren't exact. The prodigal son of Jesus's parable wasn't at the level of Pharaoh or Nebuchadnezzar reigning over relatively huge Empires for their day. The situations though are analogous in terms of the spirit and the directions: Falling away and either turning back or continuing in the wrong direction. It's only a matter of degree.

      We have people who get themselves all twisted up in knots over The Book of Revelation. They dwell on the number 666, which was 616. They appeal to numerology to prove that Jesus was the bad Lucifer — the one who falls and refuses to return.

      Jesus is the real, the true, versus the misleading, selfish one. That's the message.

      Revelation speaks against Satan.

      And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. But I have a few things against thee because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. — Revelation 2:12-17

      I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (Revelation 2:9.)

      But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. (Revelation 2:24.)

      Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (Revelation 3:9.)

      And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Revelation 12:9.)

      And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:2.)

      And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison. (Revelation 20:7.)

      Jesus was very clear, perfectly logical, about Satan. Jesus said a house divided cannot stand. The Pharisees told the people that the reason Jesus was able to cast out demons was because Jesus was Satan (the head of the demons or fallen angels).

      Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? — Matthew 12:25-26

      Of course, the logic is perfect. He simply carried it out to its logical conclusion. Those Pharisees could not cast out themselves. They could not clean their own hearts of their selfishness. They hated Jesus because to follow him and if all the people were to follow him, would mean that those Pharisees would lose their self-important station on this fallen plane of existence.

      That's all you really need to know about it, but you can dig into the details. It won't hurt you so long as you come up for air and actually help with bringing forth the Christian Commons Project™ forever the sake of the many including your own soul.

      God bless,


    • Man from the East

      All Lucifer has to do to deceive the people and to mark them with the number of his name is to change his name, create a counterfeit holy book called "Gospel" and to act as if he hates Satan!

      He will not say he is Satan unless he is a dumb person like you Mr. Usher.

      You're arguments hold no water.

      I'm just too busy that's why I didn't answer all your nonsense questions.

      With regard to the saying of Jesus: "The house divided by itself cannot stand..." is simply countered by this:

      Jesus when he rebuked the demons he did not actually destroyed them nor fights them but simply ASKED THEM TO LEAVE the body! AGAIN A CHARADE!

    • Man from the East,

      You've had your say. Now, you are not welcome in my house. You are against the people Jesus is for, and you are for those who murdered Jesus. The righteousness of those who won't identify themselves, who preach falsehood from the dark, and who are unable to answer direct questions for fear of further exposure but only attack doesn't even exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees. Go.

    • Hello All,

      For visitors and readers, no doubt you are able to come to the logical conclusion yourselves that "a house divided cannot stand" is not countered by "Jesus when he rebuked the demons he did not actually destroyed them nor fights them but simply ASKED THEM TO LEAVE the body!"

      If everyone follows Jesus, the spirit of righteousness will be the motivating force. Righteous consequences will follow. That's not how to build a kingdom of evil. Satan is not going about the world instructing people to become righteous full time (always compassionate, healing, loving, giving, sharing, pacifistic, sexually pure, wholesome, and God loving, or the like) to build the opposite. If everyone follows Jesus, the demon spirit of greed, violence, and the other forms of depravity will have no home within anyone. How then would Satan have his kingdom on the Earth? All will be as those who were made whole by Jesus. Where would Satan be other than in the proverbial bottomless pit sealed up forever?

      Frankly, the last commentator is the most lost yet to comment on this site. Nevertheless, forgive him. Don't curse him. Don't condemn him. Don't punish him. Don't make violent war on him. Don't starve him. Do toward him as you would want others to do toward you.

      I would that others properly warn me. I would also that wherever I am, others would not keep company with those who don't hold their peace but perpetually or recidivistically spew venom toward Jesus who is the best example of how human beings ought to be recorded in history.

      That last commentator is clinging to his iniquity. It has its clutches dug deep into him. It will be painful for him to let go and to get those claws out of him. He has a great deal of crying to do over the sins he seeks to avoid acknowledging within and before God.

      He can though be healed, as the one who had the demon(s) Legion within him was tamed.

      2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him [Jesus] out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, 3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: 4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. 5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. 6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, 7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. 8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. 9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. 10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. 11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. 13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea. 14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done. 15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. 16 And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine. 17 And they began to pray him to depart out of their coasts. 18 And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him. 19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee. 20 And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel. — Mark 5:2-20

      All he needs to do is understand that he was tempted to sin by tempters and be sorry he caved into it in his blindness. He'll be forgiven in time if he sticks with it.

      That's what I want to see for him. I'm not looking forward to eternal suffering for him. I take no pleasure in that thought. I'm not in charge of that though, but if I were, I would still not let him into the kingdom of Heaven unrepentant and disguised as he is. He would ruin it for all those who have earned the peace by wanting only the peace of Jesus Christ for all.

      He tries to lead people astray from God, who is righteousness as Jesus showed it. Let him go to the home he is building for himself and not to my future home with Jesus and God: All Holy Spirit.

      God bless everyone in the Universe with the real truth.

      Tom Usher