SEMANTICAL THEOLOGY: FUNDAMENTALISM, THE EDEN STORY, AND WHO IS A REAL JEW

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Hello Alan,

Changing to initial caps means changing from "alan hamer" to "Alan Hamer." Capitalize the first letter in each name, please. Thank you.

Yes I agree Earth is not billions of years old.

No, Alan, that's not what I wrote. I do not take the Eden story in Genesis paradoxically. I take it poetically but no less true in meaning (moral of the story). I take it as allegory: A parable; symbolic. That is not to say that there was not someone fitting Adam as the first to become aware of his falling and then handing that knowledge or awareness down which became the story and its meaning. This is not inconsistent with believing in the miracles of Jesus. It is also not to say that God doesn't have or did not have the power to do exactly what you've suggested, namely creating everything "old."

You do take the parables of Jesus as parables, correct? You don't take them as if he was performing "modern" journalism, right? Nevertheless, his parables are true; meaning that the morals of the stories are correct. Could he have been relating actual events? Whether or not he was, the morals remain the same and true or correct: Right to follow.

Most Fundamentalists fear that viewing the Eden story as anything other than an audio-video capture of a news event in the current sense necessarily leads one to doubt what are considered miracles that will forever defy scientific explanation. Obviously, I don't subscribe to that Fundamentalist fear. I hold with that portion of the Pentecostal view that the Holy Spirit still reveals and that it is a matter of general and specific faith as to whether or not intersession occurs on the level of miracles forever unexplainable by so-called science, which "science" in the end is therefore ignorant of, locked away from, ultimate truth.

Let me give you some more to chew on while you keep reading this site and keep up with the newest postings if possible. We have the New Testament. It is thusly named for a reason. Here's why (among many examples). There is truth and prophecy in error. Now, before you recoil, understand that what I just said is contextual. It is to be taken and understood semantically. The connotations of the terms matter and are set by what I have in mind and heart and not what everyone automatically might conclude from his or her perspective. Therefore, it takes some delving in to get at the root. That by the way is exactly what the High Priest, Caiaphas, wanted to avoid at all cost concerning Jesus; because to engage Jesus in earnest means finally accepting Jesus on Jesus's terms.

Now, Moses said there is the Promised Land and that it must be taken by an absolutely unified, violent, slaughtering, totally genocidal army. Jesus came along and said there is the Promised Land and it cannot be taken by force of arms but rather love that is truth and that is the real peace. There was truth in Moses' error. It was partial truth. It was prophetic. Even Moses knew in his heart for reasons not fully understood by him that what he was telling the people was not completely right. He hedged by telling them that they would fail. They did. He suggested that someone better than he, Moses, would come to correct his errors. Jesus did that. Jesus too said the Holy Spirit would come continuing to make things plainer and clearer. It is happening even while many, even most, souls rebel all the more.

As for the Illuminati just being a spirit, you are reading too much into my statement that it is spirit and amorphous. It is those things even while there are people who do follow it. God is spirit, and Jesus was and is flesh. So am I. The movement of the spirit of evil is not any more strictly followed by demons then is the movement of the Holy Spirit followed perfectly by all those imagining themselves Christian.

Back to the "Jews," per se, and who is or isn't a Jew. Jesus was a real Jew in the sense I use the term real Christian on this site. He was a flesh descendant of Jews of the ethnic variety but also a cleaner of the religion. He came to set straight Judaism. Just as there are many people calling themselves Christians who refuse to adhere to total pacifism, to giving and sharing all together as the one fold, and to sexual harmlessness, so too were there many people calling themselves Jews in the religious sense, who also happened largely to be Jews ethnically speaking, who refused the clean-up. Taking their understanding to the next level in Heaven is something they were not prepared to do because it would mean exactly what they thought it would mean that is the undoing of the hierarchical structure upon which most of the members of the Sanhedrin basked in relative and false glory. They failed to listen to Jesus, and their nation was broken. They are trying to pull it back together but on even less righteous terms than before. It will fall to be replaced by the truth, which is the real spirit of Judah repented for having abused his younger brother, Joseph. It is also the real spirit of Jesus who knew the emotional and spiritual mistakes of his fleshly ancestors.

Are you a real Jew? You see, it depends upon the context and your personal relationship or relative position(s) concerning it all. I say I am a real Jew and real Christian, as I say real Christians are the spirit of repentance for having abused the younger.

This is all very simple yet very complicated. There is nothing wrong with that.

So, when anyone says, "God gave the land to the Jews," what does that mean in light of the continuing revelation of the Holy Spirit? It ends up meaning that everything is the inheritance of all and that we are all to treat one another as our closest and most beloved kith and kin. Of course, this is actually going back to how it was in the beginning. It's full circle: Falling away and returning home.

Will they crucify me for writing it and working to bring it forth via the Christian Commons Project?

They fear word even getting out for the same reasons they feared Jesus and murdered him thereby making him all the more well-known. Their spirit is damned if they do and damned if they don't. They need to turn, repent, and atone.

People fear to stand up and to speak out and be challenged in their statements and positions. They will often stand up and speak out but then run away when their hypocrisy is being exposed. It is unrighteous. They need to change.

Peace,
Tom

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    Employment: 2008 - present, website developer and writer. 2015 - present, insurance broker. Education: Arizona State University, Bachelor of Science in Political Science. City University of Seattle, graduate studies in Public Administration. Volunteerism: 2007 - present, president of the Real Liberal Christian Church and Christian Commons Project.
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    • Alan Hamer

      Hoops !

      Hi Tom

      Firstly thank you for taking the time and explaining
      your view point

      I will need to read it again and your link to
      Christian Commons Project.

      I have one point that jumped to mind from what you wrote.

      You Wrote:

      I do not take the Eden story in Genesis paradoxically. I take it poetically

      And

      I take it as allegory: A parable; symbolic.

      From my limited understanding The Book Of Genesis is just that
      A Geneology of creation
      and man kind.

      Its does not seem to me the it is a writen as a
      parable Yes We know Jesus told stories in
      parables but we are told
      by the wrighter.

      Any how is my point of view at this point in time I will have a read
      from your link
      Christian Commons

      Thanks again for your reply

      Regards Alan

      • Hi Alan,

        Don't worry about oops. I can just hit the delete button, which I did. For other readers, Alan hit the submit button prematurely and a comment submission came through with just the letter "t." No big deal

        As for Genesis and your point about parables and authors, you do realize, I'm sure, that not every figurative statement in the Bible is qualified with the statement by the writer that it is "figurative" and not literal in the sense the Fundamentalists mean the term "literal."

        Anyway, I'm glad to see you are thinking rather than "attacking," per se.

        Alan, let me ask you a question. On which "day" in Genesis did God create the 24-hour period? We define a 24-hour day as one revolution of the Earth on its axis relative to the Sun taking into consideration also that the Earth is also orbiting the Sun so the portion facing the Sun adds one whole revolution on the Earth's axis every trip around the Sun back to the same seasonal location, be it gauged by the Northern Hemisphere's winter solstice or whatever.

        Also, you are aware that Peter wrote that a day is as a thousand years to God. In fact, in many prophecies, a day does stand in that way.

        Tom

        P.S. Alan, have you considered using a word processor to check your spelling, grammar, and punctuation and then just copying and pasting to the comment box?

    • Alan Hamer

      Hi Tom

      Gee you are testing my
      old grey matter , I will need to think about your question
      I can see where you are coming from. I will need to do some home work before answering.

      Thanks again for the question.

      You wrote:

      As for Genesis and your point about parables and authors, you do realize, I'm sure, that not every figurative statement in the Bible is qualified with the statement by the writer that it is "figurative" and not literal in the sense the Fundamentalists mean the term "literal."

      Yes I agree with the Bible as a whole

      But my point was Genesis
      is a book of Geneonolagy
      and from my understanding a book of
      parables ?

      Good point Tom
      re your comments below
      I have no idea about word proccessors

      But I can work out my spelling via sending e-mails to my self
      I guess this may sound
      crazy.

      You wrote:

      Alan, have you considered using a word processor to check your spelling, grammar, and punctuation and then just copying and pasting to the comment box?

      I do copy and paste world
      like Genesis Ok ezy for some .

      Cheers For now

      Will get back latter

      Reards: Alan

      • Hello Al,

        As for Genesis and your point about parables and authors, you do realize, I'm sure, that not every figurative statement in the Bible is qualified with the statement by the writer that it is "figurative" and not literal in the sense the Fundamentalists mean the term "literal."
        Yes I agree with the Bible as a whole

        But my point was Genesis
        is a book of Geneonolagy
        and from my understanding a book of
        parables ?

        It's up to you as to what you'll take how. You've been taught by literalists or have just read the Bible yourself and taken it literally. It really doesn't completely break (not work) either way.

        If you know the meaning of "all things are possible with God" and you believe it and also understand what righteousness and being last and serving and oneness are, etc., and do things accordingly, you'll be fine.

        On the next subject, you said you have a new computer. It may have a word processor program installed. If you use it to type in your comments and then use its spell checker and maybe grammar and punctuation checker (which might be enabled by default), you could then just copy and paste your comments.

        Also, I see that you type a few words and then hit the return button. Is that because it's easier for you to read fewer words on a line? If not, then you should allow the program to wrap your lines automatically rather than entering your own returns.

        Anyway, I await your reply concerning 24-hour periods before there was sun light. If you decide that literalism isn't working out concerning, especially the first few "days," try researching the "Day-Age" theological position. That's my position.

        Peace to you, Alan,

        By the way, don't forget that you left comments on other posts and pages. I replied there too.

        Tom

    • Alan Hamer

      Hi Tom

      I am just about to hit the sack I find it a little difficult
      navigation around your site you mentioned

      By the way, don't forget that you left comments on other posts and pages. I replied there too.

      Any chance you could point me to your reply?

      I will have a look tomorow..

      Thanks Tom

      From the Land down under
      the Land we call Oz

      Alan

      • Hello Alan,

        Are you going for the commentator record on the RLCC? It's okay if you are (if it's for the right reason) — just asking, as they say over here in the States.

        What difficulty are you having navigating? Is it the same general difficulty you have everywhere, or are there specific things on this site that confuse you?

        As for the other places you've left comments, you'll need to keep a record there or something. There are tracking services available for free on the web, but those might make things even more confusing. Some of them have a fairly steep learning curve. They can also disappear overnight. I speak from firsthand experience.

        [I meant to include this link for you earlier: http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/#commen... (I won't be doing this though in future. I don't have the time.)]

        Why is Australia called "Oz"?

        Lastly, Alan, you still haven't started using initial capital letters for your first and last name: "alan hamer" to "Alan Hamer." Please do that right away. I don't want to have to fix them every time for you. It's not much to ask of you, brother. Thank you.

        Peace,
        Tom

    • Alan Hamer

      Hi Tom

      Sorry I have been busy
      As mentioned I live in Perth Western Australia
      last friday we got strayed by military air crafts I guess you call this Chemtrails in the US. Any how I have been trying to track down the
      Air Base that was responsible trust me it not ezy. I have a bit of a military back ground and I have some
      idea how tight liped they can be. Any how think
      I now know the Air Base
      and I have a friend who
      runs a independant news paper So we are hopeing
      to do a story on what is realy going on.

      Yes it all takes time.

      Sorry getting back to the issue at hand I have no idea what you
      wrote about

      commentator record on the RLCC?

      I did check the link
      but yes I remember I tryed to post a comment
      but was told I had don
      somthing wrong? So I gave up.

      Good comment:

      Why is Australia called "Oz"?

      Australians are called
      OZIES (Slang word)
      That live in OZ..

      I came across some thing some weeks ago
      as I was reading the Book of Enoch

      It seems that Job
      my of had a nick name
      The Wizard of OZ

      I think Job may of lived in the land of UZ
      or may be born in UZ

      Yes I had to get out the
      old movie the Wizard of Oz Gee it was very interesting more than just
      a Kids movie.

      For some reason I am unable to get to your site I have no idea why but am told the link
      is broken. But generaly after about 3 attemps
      I get the ok .

      Getting back to your comments:

      If you know the meaning of "all things are possible with God" and you believe it and also understand what righteousness and being last and serving and oneness are, etc., and do things accordingly, you'll be fine

      Yes Amen

      You other comment:

      concerning 24-hour periods before there was sun light

      To be honest I have not looked into it but of the top of my head.

      You can not have a 24 -hour day with out the Sun or light ?

      I am not one for badgeing peoples view points literalism and all the other big words

      But I guess I do believe what I read
      but do not fully understand I feel if it
      is realy important God will reveal it When He
      feels it is the right time

      I try and keep it simple
      you will know them by there fruit's

      We all know that just because a mouse may be found in the cookie tin/
      jar ,does not make the mouse a cookie

      And at the end of the day Jesus will either say he knews us or did not know us

      I will drop back again
      tomorow and look forward to your comments.

      Regards Alan H
      P.S. WE have some difficult times ahead
      But Fear Not

      • Hi Alan,

        I'm replying to your comments in the order received and as I read each. I enjoyed your comment. The cookie thing made me laugh out loud.

        As for "the commentator record on the RLCC," if you look down the right column of the page, you will see, "Our All-Time Top Commentators." You are closing in on being number one. Personally, we shouldn't comment for personal recompense (to be repaid). We should comment because we have something of value to contribute. As for what different people consider "value," well, people's views on that are all over the map unfortunately. I consider value being the Christian Commons Project. I have the "Top Commentators" list for the sake of networking with the like-minded and also to link to how RLCC theology has dealt with different, competing world- and cosmic-views, if you will. I'm not trying to incentivize others as for the reasons capitalism does.

        Thank you for the "Amen." It means "truth." Some people have attempted to make it into some kind of evil term. It's not.

        concerning 24-hour periods before there was sun light
        To be honest I have not looked into it but of the top of my head.
        You can not have a 24 -hour day with out the Sun or light ?
        I am not one for badgeing peoples view points literalism and all the other big words

        I hope you aren't insinuating that I'm "badgering" people over literalism. I don't think you mean to be implying that. My words to you are not coming out from a spirit to irritate or torment you or anyone persistently or at all. The truth does bother people though (some people). If my question about the Sun and the 24-hour day bothered you, ask God about it and why. Ask God why you didn't check into it (avoidance?). Also, please don't put down large vocabularies, per se. Mine isn't the largest by any stretch. Your point against "big words," nevertheless, isn't valid unless you are referring to someone who is being a snob about vocabulary or using jargon to marginalize the so-called lesser educated.

        I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't read the beginning of Genesis to check. The Sun was not created on the first day. Wasn't it on the fourth? I gave you that point because you had used the saying about cutting down the tree of knowledge of good and evil and finding rings. Could God do that, create that? Yes. Did God, literally? What's important is the lesson in the story. Whether or not one must or must not be a literalists to enter Heaven is a question some literalists bring to everyone saying everyone must be a literalist and believe in 24-hour days. I won't go on here about it because one, as you've rightly suggested, is given answers from God. The answer I've been given is that there is both literalism and figurativeness in scripture, and that's good.

        I assume you didn't research the "Day-Age" view. If you avoid these things, you will be stifling your own growth in the Word.

        Peace to you, Alan,
        Tom

    • I think we have to take the Bible literally, but it is by no means a natural thing to do so. If we are finite beings then there is no way we can understand how some of the things in the Bible can be literal. But if we could easily understand it we would not need the kind of faith that can move mountains either.

      • Hello Vera,

        It is wise of you to have begun your comment with the words "I think." It shows a lack of arrogance. That's good.

        I would ask you to consider all the places where figurativeness is required. Who is the bread and wine? That's not a rhetorical question. I expect you to return and to supply a direct answer to that direct question.

        Now, I take those terms (bread and wine) both literally and figuratively. To me, they do not present a paradox. I am reconciled to them as being true within the full context Jesus used them and still uses them through the spirit.

        This is not your typical literalist thinking. I know that full well. I tell you that if the literalists had gotten it right all this time, we'd all be living in Heaven on Earth right here and now rather than being asked to be capitalists.

        They have not brought forth but have rather nearly always persecuted those who have worked to bring forth. That should tell you something because Jesus said to judge people according to the results they bring forth.

        Peace,
        Tom

    • Alan Hamer

      Hi Tom

      Thank you for your comments I will try to
      responce to your comments point by point
      Firstly I was supprised
      to read that others are reading what I am wrighting this may or may not be a good thing
      e.g. if it helps to build up the Faith of believers I guess it is a good thing but if it causes confusion or divission it's not good.

      I am not realy interested in RLCC
      but its nice to know people are reading our posts.

      I only mentioned Amen
      because I think at this point in time
      It means "truth

      I would like to know why some feel or think it is Evil I do not understand I would like to know why some think this as there must be some reason Maybe I have missed somthing?

      Y

      • Alan,

        This is a sad turn of events.

        Firstly I was supprised
        to read that others are reading what I am wrighting this may or may not be a good thing
        e.g. if it helps to build up the Faith of believers I guess it is a good thing but if it causes confusion or divission it's not good.

        I am not realy interested in RLCC
        but its nice to know people are reading our posts.

        Alan, I think you should take some time out from commenting here. This site is visible to the whole world of those on the Internet who are not blocked by their nations or some other firewall. You came here via the open Internet, didn't you? How could you be surprised that others are reading your comments. It makes no sense. I don't wish to hurt your feelings or to offend you, but if you didn't know that, you probably shouldn't be commenting, even though some of your observations appear to be rather lucid.

        As for your not really being interested in the RLCC, why are you spending so much time here and telling me that you are attempting to do something if not identical, very nearly the same there in Australia?

        Not being interested in the cause of the RLCC and the Christian Commons Project to me is a form of confusion. Also, certainly Jesus came to divide.

        If you are not interested in causing division, of the goats from the sheep, you shouldn't be here at the RLCC. After reading as much here as you have, if you don't agree, then we aren't close. If I am close to Jesus's message and you are not close to me, then what?

        As for the term "Amen," some people on the Internet have tried to tie the term in with Satanism rather than taking the word to mean "truth." If you are interested in that, you'll have to research it. I don't have a handy link for you. I haven't bothered with them in years. There are people who twist Jesus into Satan. Consider the source.

        Blessings to all,
        Tom

    • Alan Hamer

      oops did it again
      pressed the wrong button.

      Sorry

      Yes you are right I am NOT insinuating that you are "badgering people but I do feel this can cause divission

      But this is not to say we are to throw to baby out with the bath water
      there are time when.
      There are time when one may need to rebuke a fellow believer Paul was good at this as I guess rightly so.

      I did try to explain that I have had a lot
      on my plate of late and
      the issues at my end are more important that trying to work out 24 days it was not intended to be
      avoidance But when I have more free time I will look into it
      and will attempt to offer my point of view from how how view things you could very well be right but I do not know. But it is not a big issue well from my point of view.

      Personaly I do not like to read into scripture
      thing that are not there
      however i know some things of less importance can be left up to personal interpretation.

      Sadly God does not talk to me Yes I do ask for help as we all do some times the answer or answers are not always fouth coming .

      I think God in His wisdom does not give one man all the answers
      because we are to look towards God and not the inperfect man.

      Yes you are right I have not looked into
      or researched your comment below

      I assume you didn't research the "Day-Age" view. If you avoid these things, you will be stifling your own growth in the Word

      As mentioned I will
      I am not Stifling Gods word But just trying to be a good stuard of my time.

      I am involved in a number of issues that at this point in time
      I feel is in need of time on effort into trying to work out answers to

      Like Chemtrails &
      Morgellions that I now
      believe is a Nano made made Virus Like the lab created AIDS virus.
      and cancer to some degree.WE think we now understand the most of the above came be cured
      But trying to get the truth out to people that have been brain washed my the media make
      this difficult.

      For me I feel if one can help to assist suffering this is
      the right thing to do
      for me at this point in time.

      I am also commited to several other issues
      We are trying to chance to laws regardsing banning GMO ,I am involved with a 9/11 truthers to bring the Goverments to account.

      Along with trying to inform famaly and friends as to what is realy going on with
      the NWO and Eugenicts.

      and the ELITE plan to reduce the world population down by 85 plus %.

      All takes time but I will look in to 24 hour day soon.

      Your in Christ

      Alan H

      • Sadly God does not talk to me Yes I do ask for help as we all do some times the answer or answers are not always fouth coming .

        I think God in His wisdom does not give one man all the answers
        because we are to look towards God and not the inperfect man.

        If God doesn't speak to you, it still is not correct to conclude that God speaks to no man or woman. The needed answers are always forth coming for me. God gave Jesus all the answers he needed. Jesus was one hundred percent man. Jesus promised the same to all (including me) who will ask, listen, hear, understand, and do. I have asked, listened, heard, understood, and am doing — working to bring forth the Christian Commons, which is completely consistent with the message and deeds of Christ.

        Do you disagree that the Commons is completely consistent with the message and deeds of Christ?

        As for your other issues, the Commons ends the evils. Seek righteousness.

        Tom

    • Alan Hamer

      Hi Tom

      May be I did not express
      my self corectly...

      And may of miss under stood to me RLCC are only letters that I have no under standing
      what the mean.

      Because I had been righting to you on this post ,and I think only one other person commented I was not aware other people was reading our comments if I has seen more comment
      from others I would of under stood.

      Yes I was supprice to read what you mentioned
      about lets say the rateing of this blog.

      If that is the case lets hope it has be helpfull to the readers.

      I only right what I believe to be true at this point in time yes
      I am alway happy to be proven wrong that is how we all grow in our understanding.

      Just to have a number of
      people reading what we right does not make what we are say is absolute truth.

      A lot of people lissen
      to the Corporate news
      But are the hearing the truth ?

      Ok I feel we are commited to seaking truth and understanding
      and hopfuly wisdom.

      But what we believed
      a year ago may be a little different to what we believe to day?

      I think we hopfuly learn some thing new every day well that seems
      to be the case for me.

      I guess we all have different gifts your gift is different from my gift but as we share
      our gifts with one another I think we should all grow in one way or another.

      Sorry If you miss under stood what i wrote.

      Alan H

      • Alan,

        There are blogs people read but are scared to death to leave comments for fear of the plutocrats and their minions and dupes. Furthermore, this blog requires real first and last names and has "stiff" rules about engaging in debate.

        This blog is read by the governments of the world, Alan. They take names. No fear!

        If you watch the news on TV or in the newspapers and if you listen to speeches, you will hear and see responses to things that are raise here first.

        People read. People ask each other questions elsewhere rather than commenting here. People use what is written here to take down their enemies but not yet to build up the RLCC and CCP (Real Liberal Christian Church and Christian Commons Project). They are users.

        This is far from the only site where this sort of thing occurs. Governments and famous authors and famous journalists scan the Internet and blogs for material. They gather it. They write on it. They often paraphrase and give zero attribution notwithstanding copyrights.

        This is how it is, Alan. I know it and obviously, so do they.

        I did try to explain that I have had a lot
        on my plate of late and
        the issues at my end are more important that trying to work out 24 days it was not intended to be
        avoidance But when I have more free time I will look into it

        "...the issues at my end are more important that trying to work out 24 days...."
        That's not how it works, and no, those issues are not more important. You are building on what understanding? Many of the issues you are concerned with would disappear if people would properly read the Gospel message.

        You have spent much time replying here and adding more comments without having done the simple thing I asked. I don't buy your statement above nor should I. The rules were clear from the outset. I just re-explained that in my reply to your immediately previous comment (my reply).

        I am not realy interested in RLCC
        but its nice to know people are reading our posts.

        Okay, for those who can't figure it out, Alan is saying that he took "RLCC" to mean the "Top Commentators" list. How you didn't make the connection of RLCC with Real Liberal Christian Church is strange considering all the work you are attempting to do to show a global conspiracy. Maybe you should back up to the fundamentals before taking on the plutocrats.

        There are time when one may need to rebuke a fellow believer Paul was good at this

        No, actually he wasn't. But I won't get into that with you until you back up and answer questions and then build consistently with me upon that understanding (the understanding you express via your answer). You are not playing devil's advocate here. There is a time and place for that and it's fair, but we are not doing that right here, right now, together. You have a stated position that is fundamentalism and literalism. We are seeing whether those stand up. You are Pauline. We will also see whether that stands up next to Jesus's words and deeds. If you don't want to do this, go away.

        Personaly I do not like to read into scripture
        thing that are not there

        Is Jesus a piece of bread and a cup of wine? Is it there in the scripture or not?

        I won't follow-up with any answer of yours on this unless and until you back up and answer about the 24-hour days and we build from there (no later leaving out your answer for convenience to hold onto that which is not solid in your heart or mind). Hypocrisy is the enemy! I say this for your benefit but also for the benefit of all the readers here from all over the world, in and out of secular governments and of all religious persuasions.

        Alan, you must answer prior comments before raising new material here. If necessary, re-read your comments before commenting again.

        You are going to have to address whether God gave "one man all the answers." Who is Jesus? Who's talking about "all" the answers? That's just one example.

        Now, I've bent over backwards here to accommodate you. I've sent others packing long before getting this far with tolerating thoughts jumping about without continuity, consistency, the absence of hypocrisy.

        Alan, please rise to the occasion. Set a good example for others.

        Peace,
        Tom

    • Alan Hamer

      Hi Tom

      Can I think about what you said as it has clashes with my thinking

      I do know we do have
      only to types of thinking

      Agape Love

      or Fear

      all other emotions
      come from this

      You can rip me apart
      if you wish but this
      is what I THINK
      at this point in time

      Fear Not

      • Hello Alan,

        I am not trying to harm anyone. I am not harming anyone. Everything I write will in the end benefit. The problem lies in the meanings people assign to words and why.

        Yes, my revelation clashes with what you have been taught. It clashed with my own upbringing. I understand that.

        May you think about it? You should. If you mean will I be offended if you take your time to consider and check scripture, etc., I will absolutely not be offended. I encourage it.

        As for "Agape Love," the term has been mangled (not necessarily by you) to condone behaviors that are wholly unacceptable in Jesus's Heaven. Unconditional love is now a politically correct (not) expression used to excuse everything that is detrimental. It is time to call harm, "harm" and to stop claiming that whatever anyone wants to do is his or her private business. If it harms others or self, say so. Don't use violent coercion, but speak out nevertheless saying what is harmful is actually just that. Let us set the meanings of words to truth.

        "You can rip me apart
        if you wish,"

        No, I can not. I am not the one who rips anyone apart. That's the other one. My words will make whole if accepted. I am not out of sync with Jesus. I follow what he said to the best of my understanding. It is my highest and only priority. That's why I have been calling for the Christian Commons. It fits with Jesus's admonitions.

        Please do not mischaracterize my work. I'm not fracturing souls. Now, please do take time. Back up and re-read our conversation. Do check your scripture. Do ask God directly whether I have been ripping you apart or working at the exact opposite. Do return if you are so moved and only to build upon a fully examined platform of truth.

        Tom

    • hello, I just spent an hour or so enjoying your discourse with your aquaintances. I am also a seeker of absolute truth. For many years I was a christian hypocrite. I mean that I really lacked faith in Gods' Being. However; when I felt as though I had lost my family to the Devil I became angry at God. He promised us that He wouldn't put more on us than we could bear. I decided that I would destroy religion and began to attack. After a year of this organized blasphemy against God guess who showed up? I fully expected to be thrown in Hell but instead I was given a Hug. God surrounded Me with His presence. There is no mistaking Him. What infinite Love. What infinite patience. If any of you guys are looking for God. Knock. O>K> Knock again. Knock hard. Knock soft. The only thing I'm proud of in this life is that I found God. He wasn't lost...I was.