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		<title>By: Tom Usher</title>
		<link>http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2008/10/13/right-economic-system.html#comment-4050</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ISRAEL POVERTY WORST IN WESTERN WORLD

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/154565&quot;&gt;Israel Poverty Worst in Western World&lt;/a&gt;

The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) faults Israel&#039;s tax policy. 

So, Israel is getting $3 to 4 billion a year from the U.S. (will that continue now that there are so many Americans entering into poverty?) and has per-capita earnings of some $23-24 thousand per year (way above all the other nations that get economic aid from America), but it ranks below Mexico in income fairness. 

The original socialist-Zionists were closer to God even though many of them were atheists.</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/154565" class="liexternal">Israel Poverty Worst in Western World</a></p>
<p>The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) faults Israel's tax policy. </p>
<p>So, Israel is getting $3 to 4 billion a year from the U.S. (will that continue now that there are so many Americans entering into poverty?) and has per-capita earnings of some $23-24 thousand per year (way above all the other nations that get economic aid from America), but it ranks below Mexico in income fairness. </p>
<p>The original socialist-Zionists were closer to God even though many of them were atheists.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Usher</title>
		<link>http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2008/10/13/right-economic-system.html#comment-4032</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-4029&#039;&gt;@Thomas James&lt;/a&gt; - Hi Thomas,

First of all, much of what you read on the Internet concerning the Kibbutzim is false propaganda. It is true though that the spirit of the Kibbutz is being killed in Israel. That doesn&#039;t speak ill of the concept of sharing and doing one&#039;s share. It speaks ill of the change in spirit to the dark side.

The greediest ones want to kill the Kibbutz. They are trying very hard to do that. They will tell any lie to do it.

Anyway, what are those capitalists saying about the current capitalist crash? Are they applying the same spotlight?

If the capitalist system must be bailed out socialistically, via public money (taxes), then what is the difference?

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2007/01/01/the-christian-commons-project-of-the-real-liberal-christian-church.html&quot;&gt;Christian Commons Project&lt;/a&gt;&#8482; is about heart. It&#039;s about seeing the light. It isn&#039;t about forcing everyone or anyone.

The Kibbutzim are dying because the socialist Jews were coercive (militaristic), covetous of Palestinian land, and they rejected Jesus&#039;s teachings.

The Christian Commons is not coercive and of course does not reject Jesus&#039;s teachings.

Have you checked the other communes in the world? Have you read about the Hutterites for example?

They were and are so successful that the government in Canada became nervous that the Hutterites would end up being able to buy up too much of the land thereby being in a position of forcing others to adhere to Hutterite principles or not be able to be competitive. There was a law for a while against Hutterites being able to buy any more land. That law was overturned though.

This is not an endorsement of all things Hutterite. They are living proof though that communism not only does not automatically fail, it is better than capitalism. 

They are communists within a capitalist system &#8212; surrounded by capitalism.

They don&#039;t though use all of their surpluses to feed the poor. They don&#039;t work on getting donations to expand. They are also Pauline Christians. The RLCC is different in those ways.

The Hutterites are changing though. They are reaching out now more. They were afraid of more persecutions because their ancestors were murdered for being communists (Radical Reformationists) and pacifists by the greedy, violent capitalists.

Let me know what you think after you&#039;ve read some about their obvious successes in the capitalistic sense. 

The capitalists hate discussing them. I have yet to have one come there who has stuck around to discuss them. They don&#039;t want the world even knowing the Hutterites exist. That&#039;s because the capitalists are liars and cowards.

God bless all.

Tom Usher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-4029" class="liinternal">@Thomas James</a> - Hi Thomas,</p>
<p>First of all, much of what you read on the Internet concerning the Kibbutzim is false propaganda. It is true though that the spirit of the Kibbutz is being killed in Israel. That doesn't speak ill of the concept of sharing and doing one's share. It speaks ill of the change in spirit to the dark side.</p>
<p>The greediest ones want to kill the Kibbutz. They are trying very hard to do that. They will tell any lie to do it.</p>
<p>Anyway, what are those capitalists saying about the current capitalist crash? Are they applying the same spotlight?</p>
<p>If the capitalist system must be bailed out socialistically, via public money (taxes), then what is the difference?</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2007/01/01/the-christian-commons-project-of-the-real-liberal-christian-church.html" class="liinternal">Christian Commons Project</a>&trade; is about heart. It's about seeing the light. It isn't about forcing everyone or anyone.</p>
<p>The Kibbutzim are dying because the socialist Jews were coercive (militaristic), covetous of Palestinian land, and they rejected Jesus's teachings.</p>
<p>The Christian Commons is not coercive and of course does not reject Jesus's teachings.</p>
<p>Have you checked the other communes in the world? Have you read about the Hutterites for example?</p>
<p>They were and are so successful that the government in Canada became nervous that the Hutterites would end up being able to buy up too much of the land thereby being in a position of forcing others to adhere to Hutterite principles or not be able to be competitive. There was a law for a while against Hutterites being able to buy any more land. That law was overturned though.</p>
<p>This is not an endorsement of all things Hutterite. They are living proof though that communism not only does not automatically fail, it is better than capitalism. </p>
<p>They are communists within a capitalist system &mdash; surrounded by capitalism.</p>
<p>They don't though use all of their surpluses to feed the poor. They don't work on getting donations to expand. They are also Pauline Christians. The RLCC is different in those ways.</p>
<p>The Hutterites are changing though. They are reaching out now more. They were afraid of more persecutions because their ancestors were murdered for being communists (Radical Reformationists) and pacifists by the greedy, violent capitalists.</p>
<p>Let me know what you think after you've read some about their obvious successes in the capitalistic sense. </p>
<p>The capitalists hate discussing them. I have yet to have one come there who has stuck around to discuss them. They don't want the world even knowing the Hutterites exist. That's because the capitalists are liars and cowards.</p>
<p>God bless all.</p>
<p>Tom Usher</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading several  articles on the web that were calling the communist Kibbutz in Israel an abject failure and that they are finally making the move to capitalism in order to raise their living standards to an acceptable level.  The writers claimed that the Kibbutz failed because there were too many free loaders abbusing the system and causing the Kibbutz to accumalate massive debts which could not be repaid.  On further reflection I suppose that if the reason why people join a Kibbutz is because they think it is merely a country club and an efficient way for rich or middle class people to pool their resources then I suppose if the motivation for the Kibbutz were of selfish intentions  then there would be a lot of resentment for any support of lower class people who they would feel to be a drag on their community yet these lower class people would have the same priveleges as everyone else.  But didn&#039;t Jesus say that when you feed the poor that you should not expect them to pay you back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading several  articles on the web that were calling the communist Kibbutz in Israel an abject failure and that they are finally making the move to capitalism in order to raise their living standards to an acceptable level.  The writers claimed that the Kibbutz failed because there were too many free loaders abbusing the system and causing the Kibbutz to accumalate massive debts which could not be repaid.  On further reflection I suppose that if the reason why people join a Kibbutz is because they think it is merely a country club and an efficient way for rich or middle class people to pool their resources then I suppose if the motivation for the Kibbutz were of selfish intentions  then there would be a lot of resentment for any support of lower class people who they would feel to be a drag on their community yet these lower class people would have the same priveleges as everyone else.  But didn't Jesus say that when you feed the poor that you should not expect them to pay you back?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Usher</title>
		<link>http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2008/10/13/right-economic-system.html#comment-4024</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-4023&#039;&gt;@Thomas James&lt;/a&gt; - 

Hi Thomas,

Your comment went to spam. I had to manually de-spam it.

Home theaters aren&#039;t high on the list of priorities of the homeless and hungry. 

I just added a new article link at the top of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2007/01/01/the-christian-commons-project-of-the-real-liberal-christian-church.html&quot;&gt;Christian Commons Project&lt;/a&gt;&#8482; post. 

The antichrists ought to read it. There are hard working people who aren&#039;t paid enough to be able to eat or live in their own places. That condition is spreading too. 

It&#039;s too bad that some people don&#039;t become concerned and see the benefits of being less self-centered until financial troubles hit home.

&quot;I also was told that that people who live in communes want to depend on other people.&quot; 

Jesus said to serve as the least. How is that wanting to depend upon other people in some way that being an owner isn&#039;t? Who goes it alone? Are any of your relatives reclusive mountain men? I think that when they shop in the local grocery store, they aren&#039;t being rugged individualists. What&#039;s the difference between being paid and then paying versus doing things out of love in both directions? When your wife&#039;s family invites you over for dinner, are you presented with a bill afterwards? How distant does the relative have to be before they start making a gain off his need for food?

They&#039;ll swallow their pride in a hurry when they need a handout.

Who doesn&#039;t depend on God ever? God provided the land from where all of the naysayers get their sustenance. Human beings didn&#039;t create the Earth. Even the mountain men take what is given from God.

I depend upon God fulltime. God gets the credit. Without God&#039;s support of all things, I wouldn&#039;t even be and neither would those who are negatively criticizing the Christian Commons, for that is what they are doing without even having taken the time to think it through.

&quot;I would have nothing to contribute to a commune because my only assets are a broken down house in the ghetto.&quot; 

If you have a backyard where you can grow some food that you share with others at no charge but simply out of the goodness in your heart, you&#039;ve done more than all the greedy pigs in the world combined.

People working farmland to grow food for all is not nothing.

Where did the rich get what they have? Where are the Wall Street bankers getting what will keep them? They&#039;re getting off people with much, much less. The flow should be in the other direction. Then there would be the land where you could roll up your sleeves for the sake of all.

Listen, the prophecy is that there will be plenty who die without ever having seen the light even though it&#039;s blindingly bright right in their shameful faces.

I just left a comment the other day on a site where the fellow wrote about how it is a total waste of time and energy to argue with mockers. He&#039;s completely right.

Anyone who is for selfishness over unselfishness will end up suffering under the standard of selfishness. That&#039;s just how it works. They can&#039;t see it. It&#039;s spiritual knowledge, and they are dead of the spirit.

God bless the myopic.

Tom Usher

P.S. Don&#039;t you have a web address of any kind you&#039;d like to link from here? I can do it retroactively on all your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-4023" class="liinternal">@Thomas James</a> - </p>
<p>Hi Thomas,</p>
<p>Your comment went to spam. I had to manually de-spam it.</p>
<p>Home theaters aren't high on the list of priorities of the homeless and hungry. </p>
<p>I just added a new article link at the top of the <a href="http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2007/01/01/the-christian-commons-project-of-the-real-liberal-christian-church.html" class="liinternal">Christian Commons Project</a>&trade; post. </p>
<p>The antichrists ought to read it. There are hard working people who aren't paid enough to be able to eat or live in their own places. That condition is spreading too. </p>
<p>It's too bad that some people don't become concerned and see the benefits of being less self-centered until financial troubles hit home.</p>
<p>"I also was told that that people who live in communes want to depend on other people." </p>
<p>Jesus said to serve as the least. How is that wanting to depend upon other people in some way that being an owner isn't? Who goes it alone? Are any of your relatives reclusive mountain men? I think that when they shop in the local grocery store, they aren't being rugged individualists. What's the difference between being paid and then paying versus doing things out of love in both directions? When your wife's family invites you over for dinner, are you presented with a bill afterwards? How distant does the relative have to be before they start making a gain off his need for food?</p>
<p>They'll swallow their pride in a hurry when they need a handout.</p>
<p>Who doesn't depend on God ever? God provided the land from where all of the naysayers get their sustenance. Human beings didn't create the Earth. Even the mountain men take what is given from God.</p>
<p>I depend upon God fulltime. God gets the credit. Without God's support of all things, I wouldn't even be and neither would those who are negatively criticizing the Christian Commons, for that is what they are doing without even having taken the time to think it through.</p>
<p>"I would have nothing to contribute to a commune because my only assets are a broken down house in the ghetto." </p>
<p>If you have a backyard where you can grow some food that you share with others at no charge but simply out of the goodness in your heart, you've done more than all the greedy pigs in the world combined.</p>
<p>People working farmland to grow food for all is not nothing.</p>
<p>Where did the rich get what they have? Where are the Wall Street bankers getting what will keep them? They're getting off people with much, much less. The flow should be in the other direction. Then there would be the land where you could roll up your sleeves for the sake of all.</p>
<p>Listen, the prophecy is that there will be plenty who die without ever having seen the light even though it's blindingly bright right in their shameful faces.</p>
<p>I just left a comment the other day on a site where the fellow wrote about how it is a total waste of time and energy to argue with mockers. He's completely right.</p>
<p>Anyone who is for selfishness over unselfishness will end up suffering under the standard of selfishness. That's just how it works. They can't see it. It's spiritual knowledge, and they are dead of the spirit.</p>
<p>God bless the myopic.</p>
<p>Tom Usher</p>
<p>P.S. Don't you have a web address of any kind you'd like to link from here? I can do it retroactively on all your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas James</title>
		<link>http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2008/10/13/right-economic-system.html#comment-4023</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the economic crisis is a repeat of the great depression.  During the 1920&#039;s we had the availability of cheap and easy credit that created a tremendous boom cycle. Although credit in the short term can create an economic boom in the long run businesses and households get overextended as time goes on a greater percentage of income goes to paying the debt. When this happens we have an economic bust because people have to cut back just in order to pay the bills. This results in unemployment and then people can no longer pay their bills so houses foreclose and banks fail.

Today we are seeing a repeat of history.  Recently easily available credit allowed consumers to purchase homes that they could not afford as well as gas guzzling SUV&#039;s, Harley Davidson motorcycles  and expensive big screen home theatre systems.  The argument was that since you the consumer work so hard why should you have to live in the ghetto, drive a dog to work and settle for entertainment  on a crummy blurry analog television when you can become a Credit Man.

The problem with all of this is that there is no concept of sharing. For example on my wifes side of the family it is customary for 2 families to go in on a house and these houses are not in the ghetto but are very nioe.  But this is not American because every every red blooded American who is not a commie buys his or her OWN house, buys his or her OWN gas guzzling SUV and we are not like these South East Asians who cram 10 people in one house. And then I asked the question why does every American have to buy his very own unaffordable home theatre system when we can instead set up a community theatre with the very latest technology.  I was then immediately rebuked and was told that socialism will never work because true Americans want to be able to choose which programs that they want to watch.  The community kitchen proposal was also immediately rebuked as I was told that from now on I will be receiving all the resturaunt bills from my wifes family.  I also was told that that people who live in communes want to depend on other people and they certainly do not depend on God and besides that I would have nothing to contribute to a commune because my only assets are a broken down house in the ghetto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the economic crisis is a repeat of the great depression.  During the 1920's we had the availability of cheap and easy credit that created a tremendous boom cycle. Although credit in the short term can create an economic boom in the long run businesses and households get overextended as time goes on a greater percentage of income goes to paying the debt. When this happens we have an economic bust because people have to cut back just in order to pay the bills. This results in unemployment and then people can no longer pay their bills so houses foreclose and banks fail.</p>
<p>Today we are seeing a repeat of history.  Recently easily available credit allowed consumers to purchase homes that they could not afford as well as gas guzzling SUV's, Harley Davidson motorcycles  and expensive big screen home theatre systems.  The argument was that since you the consumer work so hard why should you have to live in the ghetto, drive a dog to work and settle for entertainment  on a crummy blurry analog television when you can become a Credit Man.</p>
<p>The problem with all of this is that there is no concept of sharing. For example on my wifes side of the family it is customary for 2 families to go in on a house and these houses are not in the ghetto but are very nioe.  But this is not American because every every red blooded American who is not a commie buys his or her OWN house, buys his or her OWN gas guzzling SUV and we are not like these South East Asians who cram 10 people in one house. And then I asked the question why does every American have to buy his very own unaffordable home theatre system when we can instead set up a community theatre with the very latest technology.  I was then immediately rebuked and was told that socialism will never work because true Americans want to be able to choose which programs that they want to watch.  The community kitchen proposal was also immediately rebuked as I was told that from now on I will be receiving all the resturaunt bills from my wifes family.  I also was told that that people who live in communes want to depend on other people and they certainly do not depend on God and besides that I would have nothing to contribute to a commune because my only assets are a broken down house in the ghetto.</p>
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