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DON'T BE A HOMOSEXUAL FASCIST OR SUPPORT HOMOSEXUAL FASCISTS
You see, I don't agree with Fred Phelps' methods. I don't agree with his Westboro Baptist Church. However, only fascists want to use the violent, threatening, punishing power of the state to prevent him from voicing his opinions (fascist; albeit he doesn't violate mundane protest laws, such as intruding onto private property, etc., that I know of) where others are also equally free to engage in the public debate on the issues.
I see many fascist groups on Facebook calling for banning everybody with whom they don't agree. That's not what that platform is supposed to be about. That's for sites that don't hold themselves out to be what Facebook is claiming to be.
Right now, Facebook leans to the civil-libertarian side. That's where the homosexuals received support, to begin with, for not being violently coerced to stop their homosexual behavior. The fascists, many of them being homosexuals and pro-homosexuals (homosexual fascists), want to change that.
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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 @ 8:19:57 PM (Pacific Time)
I think that the best way to deal with the homosexual community is to be as non-judgemental as possible. However of course this does not mean condoning their sin, but to quote the old testament and to say that homosexuality is an abomination and to be self righteous and to heap condemnation on them is not what Jesus would do and it really does not work because I am sure you are not telling the homosexuals anything that they have not heard before.
I think what Jesus would have done if he had preached in Sodom would be to merely tell the people to listen to their own conscience or the Holy spirit to determine whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong rather than rely on some clergyman or a book of Torah. Of course the main objection from most clergymen of the day would be that these people would listen to the spirit of Satan and would convince themselves that homosexuality was a good thing. Well if the inhabitants of Sodom are so far gone that they would insist that Satan is the Holy Spirit and thier own conscience then you would be wasting your time talking to them. However more times than not a clergyman really does not want to give the Holy Spirit a chance but would rather resort to the old school.
I think that the methods that Jesus would have employed contrary to the endless condemnation aproach would have proved sucessfull because the inhabitants of Sodom would have come to their own realizations if they chose to repent. And a lot of times repentance comes in stages. A homosexual who still chooses to practice homosexuality may at least choose not to be a murderer and to take precautions to prevent the infection and the spread of disease. However a doctor who practices the old Torah Judaism way would just curse the homosexuals and to say that they hope that they will die of AIDS just like Jonah hoped that God would burn the city of Ninevah.
I think the major challenge to the ministry of Jesus was not dealing with the prostitutes of the day or the inhabitants of Sodom but the major stumbling block was dealing with the religious leaders of the day that were so self righteous as to think that Jesus was a sinner.
Thursday, November 26, 2009 @ 11:41:10 AM (Pacific Time)
Thomas,
Your comment was in with the spam. It suggests to me that someone somewhere mark a recent comment by you as spam.
As for your comment, is it directed at me or at others, as in are you saying that I'm being "self righteous" heaping "condemnation on them"? It sounds as if you are, but I leave it to you to clarify before I come to any conclusion about it. The reason it sounds as if you are is because you said in the same paragraph, "I am sure you are not telling the homosexuals anything that they have not heard before." The word "you" there means me without doubt. So you should be able to see why I'm asking about this.
If you are calling me self-righteous and saying that I'm heaping judgment upon them, as in the exact judgment that Jesus says not to apply, then I will say that you've misread me and are missing things (things have fallen through the cracks not of my making). I strive for righteousness. Doing so is completely consistent with everything Jesus preaches and did himself. It's a disservice to call anyone who is doing that "self-righteous" in the pejorative sense you've used it.
I will suggest to you, Thomas, that you appear to me to be fence sitting more than a bit here, but perhaps you'll disabuse me of that view via a well-directed reply.
As for Jesus in Sodom, what Torah was there then? He said if the deeds and signs had been done, they would have repented.
The homosexuals of today have the words of Jesus but still don't all repent. Consider it.
Furthermore, I am not speaking to them (the ones who won't repent) alone if at all (if they can even hear me, which is doubtful). I am speaking to others who call themselves Christian to speak out to make clear that homosexuality is not condoned or accepted and especially is not to be promoted. Tolerance as in not using violent coercion and the like is the line.
Shall I keep that truth, that light, under a bushel for the sake of political correctness? I will not. I will stand in the gap speaking truth for the sake of the land. Jesus did it. The Earth will be saved on account of it.
Really, Thomas, I feel you diminishing here. Is this a touchy subject for you? I ask in no sarcastic sense.
The Holy Spirit comes off as harsh to the homosexuals, Thomas. It's not the Spirit's fault. It's the fault of the homosexuals and those who coddle them in their iniquity, not calling them in strong terms to repent for the very sake of their souls. It's not loving to coddle them. Jesus did not coddle the Pharisees or Sadducees whom he loved as I do also.
Now, I hear you there trying to grapple with the truth, which is right to do. However, you have to understand and to not mince your words about it. The phrase "turn or burn" is true. We are talking about souls that refuse to repent and who do go down. Proverbially, literally, or figuratively, they do go down into greater pain and suffering. Satan gets them more and more in that direction.
Thomas, so-called safe-sex or not, the issue is self lust and where that path leads. It is the war in the members which spirit brings on all the various manifestations of evil: war and greed, etc. It is unwholesomeness that is the death of the soul. Relative sin exists, but we are to turn from all of it to be one with God the perfectly righteous.
We are called to speak out loudly and clearly and plainly so that the lost sheep will turn around forevermore.
Sodom is gone. We are faced with the here and now. There are souls who have not heard the truth because it is censored. Surely you know that just from having read so much of this site. The message here has been censored deliberately to prevent especially the youth from hearing the truth about scripture and Jesus's message vis-a-vis homosexuality. They are being told the lies that it is immutable, not a choice, and acceptable in Jesus's eyes.
Thomas, Jesus dealt with the prostitutes and the tax collectors and the money changers and the militarists and all the rest including the lip-service Pharisees. As for Jesus ever having sinned, he said he was being made strait. What does that mean?
The biggest stumbling block was the Chief Priest. Herod, Pilate, and then Caesar were influenced against the Zealots. The Chief Priest was a fool (said with cause). He thought Jesus's death would be as a sacrificial lamb protecting him in his position.
I await your thoughtful reply.
Peace,
Tom
Thursday, November 26, 2009 @ 11:47:57 AM (Pacific Time)
Please, everyone, remember that this post is entitled: DON'T BE A HOMOSEXUAL FASCIST OR SUPPORT HOMOSEXUAL FASCISTS.
There are fascist homosexuals going around literally terrorizing people. They are demanding that the secular state punish me for my writings here. They lobby for it. They encourage corporations to engage in it (unjustified censorship, etc.).
Take the right stand, which is also a strong stand.
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 1:09:05 AM (Pacific Time)
Of course there is no doubt in my mind that if the Pharasee's had hired male prostitutes and turned the temple into a gay bath house that Jesus would have cleansed the temple. And it is totally reasonable to expect clergyman in any legitimate church to abstain from homosexuality and to be either celibate or the husband of one wife and not to perform gay marriages. However I am not talking about church leaders who must be held to a higher standard and judged with much rigor but rather church members who should rather be free of as much judgement as possible but rather have their own conscience decide what is right and wrong.
Now on the view of censorship I think unless a gay man was born yesterday he has probably heard it a million times bible verses condemning homosexuality and preachers trying to cure him. So this idea that we have to sound the trumpet and warn gays more than once will probably fall on death ears or make them want to rebel even more. So my idea is to rather teach people how to listen to the Holy Spirit and then they can decide what is right or wrong based on the law written on their own hearts.
As far as relative sins go an example is given concerning female homosexuality versus male homosexuality. Although the bible considers both sins to be unnatural acts it is nevertheless a known fact that only male homosexuality was considered according to Torah to be a capital offense. Now of course according to Christian ethics a capital punishment would not be enforced but the reason why the Torah judged this act so harshly was because it was not only an unnatural act but an unclean act that could spread deadly disease. However with lesbianism it is much more difficult to contract a disease so in effect lesbians could get away with their sin because no punishment was prescribed to them according to Torah however the Torah did not forbid the verbal criticism of lesbianism which the apostle Paul was famous for.So my point is that if gays practice safe sex is it not reasonable to assume that the sin is reduced from an unclean act to merely an unnatural act just like it is with lesbianism? And if not why did the Torah let lesbians get away with their sin all these years?
The truth is that no one who truly listens to their conscience ever gets away with their sins.
Now considering Sodom there is no doubt in my mind that if anyone had ever tried to teach them ethics he probable would have ended up getting raped. However a true prophet who tells people to listen to their own hearts concerning the matter and does any Sodomite hate himself so much that he would not listen to his own heart? This is why I believe that the message of Jesus would have been very sucessfull even to people of Sodom who were so far gone that they did not have any hope.
Sunday, November 29, 2009 @ 3:50:44 PM (Pacific Time)
Well, inadvertently on your part, this aids those homosexuals who applied a perverted twist on Higher Criticism and come up with that Jesus was only opposed to male prostitutes in the Temple.
This is not right, Thomas. Leaders do need to be out front in clean and holy living else they don't lead right; however, we are a priesthood of believers. We are to be members of a level congregation. There are not two standards in Christianity. Jesus didn't tell anyone that he or she is to be held to a higher standard. He calls each and all who hears him to rise as high as that one is given to comprehend. If a congregant practices homosexuality, that one is to undergo the congregation-wide progressive discipline set out by Christ where in the end if that one doesn't repent and change, he or she is marked a heathen and no member of the Church. The Church is not the Church with homosexuals within. There are not homosexuals in the Highest. It would not be the Highest were it otherwise.
First of all, I don't agree with calling homosexuals "gay." I am sometimes gay but never homosexual. They don't own the word and never should have been allowed by the people to appropriate the word, as if they are truly "gay." Homosexuality is a fallen condition. There is nothing gay in it. The same applies to the rainbow, which they do not own. I love rainbows, but I am never homosexual. If I use the rainbow as a symbol, I am never condoning or promoting or excusing homosexuality on any level.
Of course this point of yours about speaking truth to long-time adult homosexuals and letting them be sorted by whether and to what degree they accept it, this is how it has always been with Christ. It does not though address the tens of millions, even hundreds of millions and billions, now hearing the lie that homosexuality is inborn, not mutable, and therefore never a choice. It is that that I speak to the youth. It also does not address the lying arguments used by homosexuals to convince the naive and gullible concerning scripture and where Jesus stood and stands on the issue of homosex. Unless the youth hear the opposing view that is the real truth, unless we as Christians speak out, we have their "blood" on our hands. It is our sacred duty to speak the truth that those homosexuals, such as the so-called Christian bishop, V. Gene Robinson, are lying about and distorting the real message of Jesus.
Robinson is an unrepentant, homosexual adulterer allowed to be a bishop in the Episcopal Church for crying out loud. There are children being dragged to that church to be indoctrinated into the lies. We aren't talking just about saving homosexuals. We're talking about sparing children from the clutches of iniquitous liars who lie about your savior and your God.
You're being wishy-washy about it here, Thomas. You're saying those liars may sit in your pews openly continuing their lies to the congregation and most importantly to the youngest and most impressionable children. You are not sounding the trumpet to warn. You are saying that the adult homosexuals in the churches have heard it all before, so shut up. That approach is not being an ally of Christ, Thomas. You're aiding the other as he devours the youth right before your eyes. Don't tell me you can't see it. I know better.
As for lesbianism and also so-called safe-sex, it matters not that the Torah doesn't tell you that lesbians should be put to death. It matters what Christ and God think now. As for "safe-sex," the transmission of the disease of homosexuality is not prevented by a mundane condom. There is no such thing as a harmless homosexual desire or act. Surely you know this. Those condoms break and slip too, but even if they didn't it wouldn't mitigate the selfish caving into lust that lies at the heart of all that ails humanity.
The truth is that no one ever gets away with sin, period.
As for Sodom, Jesus said what he said. They would have repented. This generation is unwilling to stop and to change based upon the recorded words of Jesus. They are hell bent for twisting everything they can for the sake of being sanctioned by the masses. I do not, nor will I, sanction them. They are not members of my Church and never will be. Only those seeking the real truth enter. Only those of the repenting heart enter and remain even for awhile. Only those who are the most fertile soil for the seed that is the word of God from Jesus will remain. So be it. I ask God to lift us there to stay. I'm sick of Hell. Let the demons stay behind. That's their choice.