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		<title>Comment on NEOCONS AND SELF-STYLED ZIONIST-CHRISTIANS by Tom Usher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See: http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2010/03/13/on-glenn-beck-social-justice-economic-justice-communists-nazis-and-churches.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See: <a href="http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2010/03/13/on-glenn-beck-social-justice-economic-justice-communists-nazis-and-churches.html"  class="liinternal">http://www.realliberalchristia.....rches.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on NEOCONS AND SELF-STYLED ZIONIST-CHRISTIANS by Lou Norman</title>
		<link>http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2010/03/17/neocons-and-self-styled-zionist-christians.html#comment-7110</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Came across this web bit)

           PRETRIB  RAPTURE  POLITICS
                  
   Many are still unaware of the eccentric, 180-year-old British theory underlying the politics of American evangelicals and Christian Zionists.
   Journalist and historian Dave MacPherson has spent more than 40 years focusing on the origin and spread of what is known as the apocalyptic &quot;pretribulation rapture&quot; - the inspiration behind Hal Lindsey&#039;s bestsellers of the 1970s and Tim LaHaye&#039;s today.
   Although promoters of this endtime evacuation from earth constantly repeat their slogan that &quot;it&#039;s imminent and always has been&quot; (which critics view more as a sales pitch than a scriptural statement), it was unknown in all official theology and organized religion before 1830.
   And MacPherson&#039;s research also reveals how hostile the pretrib rapture view has been to other faiths:
   It is anti-Islam. TV preacher John Hagee has been advocating &quot;a pre-emptive military strike against Iran.&quot; (Google &quot;Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism.&quot;)
   It is anti-Jewish. MacPherson&#039;s book &quot;The Rapture Plot&quot; (see Armageddon Books etc.) exposes hypocritical anti-Jewishness in even the theory&#039;s foundation.
   It is anti-Catholic. Lindsey and C. I. Scofield are two of many leaders who claim that the final Antichrist will be a Roman Catholic. (Google &quot;Pretrib Hypocrisy.&quot;)
   It is anti-Protestant. For this reason no major Protestant denomination has ever adopted this escapist view.
   It even has some anti-evangelical aspects. The first publication promoting this novel endtime view spoke degradingly of &quot;the name by which the mixed multitude of modern Moabites love to be distinguished, - the Evangelical World.&quot; (MacPherson&#039;s &quot;Plot,&quot; p. 85)
   Despite the above, MacPherson proves that the &quot;glue&quot; that holds constantly in-fighting evangelicals together long enough to be victorious voting blocs in elections is the same &quot;fly away&quot; view. He notes that Jerry Falwell, when giving political speeches just before an election, would unfailingly state: &quot;We believe in the pretribulational rapture!&quot;
   In addition to &quot;The Rapture Plot,&quot; MacPherson&#039;s many internet articles include &quot;Famous Rapture Watchers,&quot; &quot;Pretrib Rapture Diehards,&quot; &quot;Edward Irving is Unnerving,&quot; &quot;America&#039;s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,&quot; &quot;Thomas Ice (Bloopers),&quot; &quot;Pretrib Rapture Secrecy&quot; and &quot;Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty&quot; (massive plagiarism, phony doctorates, changing of early &quot;rapture&quot; documents in order to falsely credit John Darby with this view, etc.!).
   Because of his devastating discoveries, MacPherson is now No. 1 on the &quot;hate&quot; list of pretrib rapture leaders!
   There&#039;s no question that the leading promoters of this bizarre 19th century end-of-the-world doctrine are solidly pro-Israel and necessarily anti-Palestinian. In light of recently uncovered facts about this fringe-British-invented belief which has always been riddled with dishonesty, many are wondering why it should ever have any influence on Middle East affairs.
   This Johnny-come-lately view raises millions of dollars for political agendas. Only when scholars of all faiths begin to look deeply at it and widely air its &quot;dirty linen&quot; will it cease to be a power. It is the one theological view no one needs!
   With apologies to Winston Churchill - never has so much deception been foisted on so many by so few!

[Also Google &quot;David Letterman&#039;s Hate, Etc.&quot;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Came across this web bit)</p>
<p>           PRETRIB  RAPTURE  POLITICS</p>
<p>   Many are still unaware of the eccentric, 180-year-old British theory underlying the politics of American evangelicals and Christian Zionists.<br />
   Journalist and historian Dave MacPherson has spent more than 40 years focusing on the origin and spread of what is known as the apocalyptic "pretribulation rapture" - the inspiration behind Hal Lindsey's bestsellers of the 1970s and Tim LaHaye's today.<br />
   Although promoters of this endtime evacuation from earth constantly repeat their slogan that "it's imminent and always has been" (which critics view more as a sales pitch than a scriptural statement), it was unknown in all official theology and organized religion before 1830.<br />
   And MacPherson's research also reveals how hostile the pretrib rapture view has been to other faiths:<br />
   It is anti-Islam. TV preacher John Hagee has been advocating "a pre-emptive military strike against Iran." (Google "Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism.")<br />
   It is anti-Jewish. MacPherson's book "The Rapture Plot" (see Armageddon Books etc.) exposes hypocritical anti-Jewishness in even the theory's foundation.<br />
   It is anti-Catholic. Lindsey and C. I. Scofield are two of many leaders who claim that the final Antichrist will be a Roman Catholic. (Google "Pretrib Hypocrisy.")<br />
   It is anti-Protestant. For this reason no major Protestant denomination has ever adopted this escapist view.<br />
   It even has some anti-evangelical aspects. The first publication promoting this novel endtime view spoke degradingly of "the name by which the mixed multitude of modern Moabites love to be distinguished, - the Evangelical World." (MacPherson's "Plot," p. 85)<br />
   Despite the above, MacPherson proves that the "glue" that holds constantly in-fighting evangelicals together long enough to be victorious voting blocs in elections is the same "fly away" view. He notes that Jerry Falwell, when giving political speeches just before an election, would unfailingly state: "We believe in the pretribulational rapture!"<br />
   In addition to "The Rapture Plot," MacPherson's many internet articles include "Famous Rapture Watchers," "Pretrib Rapture Diehards," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "America's Pretrib Rapture Traffickers," "Thomas Ice (Bloopers)," "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy" and "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" (massive plagiarism, phony doctorates, changing of early "rapture" documents in order to falsely credit John Darby with this view, etc.!).<br />
   Because of his devastating discoveries, MacPherson is now No. 1 on the "hate" list of pretrib rapture leaders!<br />
   There's no question that the leading promoters of this bizarre 19th century end-of-the-world doctrine are solidly pro-Israel and necessarily anti-Palestinian. In light of recently uncovered facts about this fringe-British-invented belief which has always been riddled with dishonesty, many are wondering why it should ever have any influence on Middle East affairs.<br />
   This Johnny-come-lately view raises millions of dollars for political agendas. Only when scholars of all faiths begin to look deeply at it and widely air its "dirty linen" will it cease to be a power. It is the one theological view no one needs!<br />
   With apologies to Winston Churchill - never has so much deception been foisted on so many by so few!</p>
<p>[Also Google "David Letterman's Hate, Etc."]</p>
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		<title>Comment on ON GLENN BECK, SOCIAL JUSTICE, ECONOMIC JUSTICE, COMMUNISTS, NAZIS, AND CHURCHES by Ludwik Kowalski</title>
		<link>http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/wordpress/2010/03/13/on-glenn-beck-social-justice-economic-justice-communists-nazis-and-churches.html#comment-7101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ludwik Kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote: &quot;Heaven is communist but of course, not Marxist. It is collectivist.&quot;

I like this observation.

Ludwik Kowalski 
whose new book–”&lt;a href=&quot;http://astore.amazon.com/rlcc-20/detail/1600473903&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Tyranny to Freedom: Diary of a Former Stalinist&lt;/a&gt;”–is 
now available at 

www [dot] amazon [dot] com 

READER’S REVIEWS ARE ALSO AT THIS WEBSITE.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote: "Heaven is communist but of course, not Marxist. It is collectivist."</p>
<p>I like this observation.</p>
<p>Ludwik Kowalski<br />
whose new book–”<a href="http://astore.amazon.com/rlcc-20/detail/1600473903" target="_blank" class="liexternal">Tyranny to Freedom: Diary of a Former Stalinist</a>”–is<br />
now available at </p>
<p>www [dot] amazon [dot] com </p>
<p>READER’S REVIEWS ARE ALSO AT THIS WEBSITE.</p>
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